MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[CMEBoston]

"Take the guns first, due process second."
-Trump

Yup you convinced me I think Biden should absolutely win this time around.

I wish I had enough privilege to be able to vote on one issue in our federal elections
Or let it all burn over it

 

[Woodsloafer]

Onto a different sock account.

Another state hack who will probably pop up talking about compromise and dumbasses will reply and debate.

 

[EJFudd]

NOTHING is IMPOSSIBLE to get

Well, except for my brand-new-in-box Chiappa Rhino.

 

[EJFudd]

I agree with you wholeheartedly on most of this but if they really wanted to prosecute those with the least resources there’s be virtually no gang violence.

Prosecute the left's own core constituents? Never!

Hate to tell you you are a criminal just waiting to be made an example of already and you very well may have broken zero laws. But when did our AG ever care about the law?

Not ever that I can remember. Quite to the contrary, our AG comes from a family with a long and proud history of breaking all sorts of laws.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

I just realized something- yeah I am sort of slow when it comes to these things...

There is one commonality between the House and Senate bills- the long hand focused effort to restrict/ ban ghost/manufactured guns. Their "reasoning" is because such guns are used in crimes and cannot be traced. Well, from my what I have read most gun violence is done either with stolen and/or guns that have their numbers physically erased. So this is not it. Also no gangbanger will be buying parts and building 3d/printing a gun- there are far easier ways to obtain one illegally. So why do the guberment wants to remove "unknown" guns? So the only guns that are left are the ones they know about? ... and why is that? I think we know the answer. What an unsettling thought for a pro 2A law-abiding citizen...

In the House hearing DA Galluni was specifically asked how useful firearm tracing was and he said that it was only a small percentage; or words to that effect.

 

[inkdesigner]

AWB conjecture

Why is no grandfathering a problem for the gun grabbers? You can decide whether the 4th, 5th or 14th amendment applies. Making lawfully acquired property unlawful with the passing of a law without proper compensation (independent of this being about guns) tends to land one in hot water. If/when a federal court decides this is unconstitutional, what can they do?

The argument they will use to counter this is that you can still sell the weapon to somebody who lives in a state that does not ban this type of firearm. While I can't put my finger on it, I believe there is some case law where this was argued and accepted by the court

 

[1903Collector]

The argument they will use to counter this is that you can still sell the weapon to somebody who lives in a state that does not ban this type of firearm. While I can't put my finger on it, I believe there is some case law where this was argued and accepted by the court

Good luck selling a MA neutered AR outside of the state for anything even close to what you probably have into it.

 

[GOAL]

Our summary is here:

GOAL - S2572 Summary

goal.org

 

[VTski4x4]

So now an unfinished lower is both a rifle, or a machine gun. Bet I know which they'll charge you with 10/10 times....... there aren't enough trees and public squares.

 

[btnh6668]

Our summary is here:

GOAL - S2572 Summary

goal.org

Lovely

 

[MAJoe]

Our summary is here:

GOAL - S2572 Summary

goal.org

Thank you for doing this

 

[CrackPot]

Your summary seems unhappy that only a ffl can engrave. There is a good reason for this. If they make a ffl do it, federal regulations for traceability come into play. If you allow anyone to do it, then to make the weapon traceable you need to ask the state permission and for them to give you a serial number like CA does. If we accept the unfortunate reality that untraceable firearms are going away, the path they choose is best for us. The state is not involved but federal regulation plays. I’m pretty sure any ffl can do it as the relevant regulations relate to PMFs and anytime they come onto the book of an ffl. This is one of the few places in your summary I think you are missing a key point.

Your summary does not speak to the last paragraph of section 27

“Nothing in this subsection shall limit the authority of any state, municipality, county or judicial body from adopting policies restricting the possession of firearms, rifles, shotguns or other dangerous weapons in areas under their control.”

I consider this one of the most insidious items in the law. This could be used to remove preemption of state law for gun laws. Local authorities could impose whatever restrictions they want in areas under their control. Roads. Parks. My property (zoning), etc.


I also cannot figure out where you get fixed mag rifles over 5 rounds.

Our summary is here:

GOAL - S2572 Summary

goal.org

 

[71montess]

Your summary seems unhappy that only a ffl can engrave. There is a good reason for this. If they make a ffl do it, federal regulations for traceability come into play. If you allow anyone to do it, then to make the weapon traceable you need to ask the state permission and for them to give you a serial number like CA does. If we accept the unfortunate reality that untraceable firearms are going away, the path they choose is best for us. The state is not involved but federal regulation plays. I’m pretty sure any ffl can do it as the relevant regulations relate to PMFs and anytime they come onto the book of an ffl. This is one of the few places in your summary I think you are missing a key point.

Your summary does not speak to the last paragraph of section 27

“Nothing in this subsection shall limit the authority of any state, municipality, county or judicial body from adopting policies restricting the possession of firearms, rifles, shotguns or other dangerous weapons in areas under their control.”

I consider this one of the most insidious items in the law. This could be used to remove preemption of state law for gun laws. Local authorities could impose whatever restrictions they want in areas under their control. Roads. Parks. My property (zoning), etc.

As it is now can one put any serial # they want on a PMF and submit it on an E-FA10 ?

 

[Lxpony]

As it is now can one put any serial # they want on a PMF and submit it on an E-FA10 ?

Yes

 

[71montess]

Yes

As in something with FJB in it ?

 

[CrackPot]

As it is now can one put any serial # they want on a PMF and submit it on an E-FA10 ?

Yes. But. They want full traceability. If we accept that premise, the fa10 system does not help. Federal regulation puts a serial number formatted such that is federally traceable. California controls serial numbers. The house bill controls serial numbers and you need permission. The senate bill is the best solution once you acknowledge full traceability is here.

Don’t get me wrong, I want untraceable home made guns. They don’t. Ffl marking is the least intrusive method otherwise you get the house language and you are truly screwed

 

[71montess]

Yes. But. They want full traceability. If we accept that premise, the fa10 system does not help. Federal regulation puts a serial number formatted such that is federally traceable. California controls serial numbers. The house bill controls serial numbers and you need permission. The senate bill is the best solution once you acknowledge full traceability is here.

Don’t get me wrong, I want untraceable home made guns. They don’t. Ffl marking is the least intrusive method otherwise you get the house language and you are truly screwed

It doesn’t look like you will be able to build AR‘s or AK’s in our basements either way correct ?

 

[CrackPot]

It doesn’t look like you will be able to build AR‘s or AK’s in our basements either way correct ?

You already can’t build AKs. All post 94 AKs are assault weapons under the current law.

The new law makes all ARs assault weapons. So building them would be a problem, yes.

 

[Garys]

Does this have an emergency preamble?

 

[apander]

Your summary seems unhappy that only a ffl can engrave. There is a good reason for this. If they make a ffl do it, federal regulations for traceability come into play. If you allow anyone to do it, then to make the weapon traceable you need to ask the state permission and for them to give you a serial number like CA does. If we accept the unfortunate reality that untraceable firearms are going away, the path they choose is best for us. The state is not involved but federal regulation plays. I’m pretty sure any ffl can do it as the relevant regulations relate to PMFs and anytime they come onto the book of an ffl. This is one of the few places in your summary I think you are missing a key point.

Your summary does not speak to the last paragraph of section 27

“Nothing in this subsection shall limit the authority of any state, municipality, county or judicial body from adopting policies restricting the possession of firearms, rifles, shotguns or other dangerous weapons in areas under their control.”

I consider this one of the most insidious items in the law. This could be used to remove preemption of state law for gun laws. Local authorities could impose whatever restrictions they want in areas under their control. Roads. Parks. My property (zoning), etc.


I also cannot figure out where you get fixed mag rifles over 5 rounds.

My M-1 Garand will take 8 rounds into a mag that is Not detachable or is the enbloc clip detachable ?

 

[apander]

Would a commercial M-16 be a AR-type?

 

[Spartan65]

You already can’t build AKs. All post 94 AKs are assault weapons under the current law.

The new law makes all ARs assault weapons. So building them would be a problem, yes.

I had no idea that was the case. I thought it was like ARs and just a feature test.

Thanks I learned something.

 

[EJFudd]

Does this have an emergency preamble?

Oh, it will. I guarantee it. Have you met our beloved Governor Maura Healey?

 

[Nfdbrian]

I’m sure I already know the answer, but nothing mentioned about preban large capacity feeding devices whether pistol or rifle?

 

[Broc Tuah]

You already can’t build AKs. All post 94 AKs are assault weapons under the current law.

Wait, what?

 

[JRLB]

Wait, what?

I’m scratching my head on that one too.

 

[dgrafton]

No need for mental gymnastics. How many times have you been at the range and had someone call the cops on you becuase they think whatever you are shooting is not legal?

I will guess never. So that is the end of that fantasy.

Never had them call the cops. But HAVE had them question the legality of some items.

 

[Picton]

Never had them call the cops. But HAVE had them question the legality of some items.

You need to join a better club. Or go at a different time of day.

Life's too short to shoot with FUDDs.

 

[Joeldiaz]

I’m scratching my head on that one too.

General Law - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, Section 121

malegislature.gov

“''Assault weapon'', shall have the same meaning as a semiautomatic assault weapon as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(30) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994, and shall include, but not be limited to, any of the weapons, or copies or duplicates of the weapons, of any caliber, known as: (i) Avtomat Kalashnikov (AK) (all models);

 

[Broc Tuah]

General Law - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, Section 121

malegislature.gov

“''Assault weapon'', shall have the same meaning as a semiautomatic assault weapon as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(30) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994, and shall include, but not be limited to, any of the weapons, or copies or duplicates of the weapons, of any caliber, known as: (i) Avtomat Kalashnikov (AK) (all models);

Quote it all ...

It also mentions the AR-15.