MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[Marty McFly]

TSUSA needs a mass outlet.

Just a permit to sell ammo, a TIN and a warehouse?

Or... they save the permit money and economic benifit to the state and spend it on lawyers! I vote that!

 

[chris_1001]

Or... they save the permit money and economic benifit to the state and spend it on lawyers! I vote that!

Insert “why not both?” gif here

 

[Marty McFly]

Insert “why not both?” gif here

Because the state deserves no benefit

 

[Coyote33]

Simple formula, don't do stupid shit and live your life.

Tell me do. Is defending your life from an illegal immigrant or any other criminal "stupid shit"? Because that is something I might prefer to do if it ever became necessary. And if this ain't "live your life", I don't know what is!

Like this:

Most people will comply, as they well know. It'll be a tack-on charge if you get caught doing something more serious, like capping some banger.

 

[GOAL]

Lots of second-order effects in this bill that fall outside the GOAL summary:

- No sale of pre-ban mags to non dealers, and grandfather exemption does NOT include licensed carry in public. This is a huge trap waiting to be sprung on anyone involved in a self-defense encounter.

- "Frame not a gun" loophole gone

- Mandate that confiscated guns not used in crimes be auctioned (as if they will follow this)

- 500ft dwelling ban excludes does not include "underground target or indoor test ranges" with consent of owner. Time for a 5 gallon bucket of sand from Home Depot labeled "Test Range Bullet Stop".

Just by way of clarification, we haven't released a summary or analysis yet. The summary linked to was prepared by someone in the legislature, so please take it with an entire salt mine.

 

[deerdad]

If you look at that pic hard enough, you could imagine it to be any one of the sub humans in the statehouse.

And here is the result. View attachment 897736

 

[jron]

Im new to the scene but even before I owned guns I never understood how stupid these people are. It does nothing to address the criminals. So the criminals aren’t going to be able to he their guns anymore because there is new law. What a fkn crock of shi t. This state is so as s backwards.

That’s the thing. It never was about criminals…

 

[E.Stoner]

That’s the thing. It never was about criminals…

That’s a bingo.

 

[Picton]

Tell me do. Is defending your life from an illegal immigrant or any other criminal "stupid shit"? Because that is something I might prefer to do if it ever became necessary. And if this ain't "live your life", I don't know what is!

Yeah, but be honest: using your firearm defensively in this state has always been a risk, even under the status quo. This new legislation does what? Adds a preban-mag charge that won't end up mattering in light of the legal shitstorm you'll face anyway.

Carrying an SD firearm here has always been a risky thing to do, given the attitude of our state government. I don't see that this, or any other legislation they might pass in the future, makes it any safer nor, really, any more risky.

 

[chris_1001]

Because the state deserves no benefit

We do. So I’m willing

But I really agree, I just do not want $1.00 per round 9mm to prove a point

 

[Marty McFly]

We do. So I’m willing

But I really agree, I just do not want $1.00 per round 9mm to prove a point

Nobody does. But ive been around a while. I'm willing to have a bit of a hard time in order to defeat this stuff for the younger people. We had time to stock up. At least that's something.
Now let's hope it's defeatable

 

[Woodsloafer]

Tell me do. Is defending your life from an illegal immigrant or any other criminal "stupid shit"? Because that is something I might prefer to do if it ever became necessary. And if this ain't "live your life", I don't know what is!

Like this:

Meh, before or after the new regs you are likely to be frucked in MA.

 

[Coyote33]

Yeah, but be honest: using your firearm defensively in this state has always been a risk, even under the status quo. This new legislation does what? Adds a preban-mag charge that won't end up mattering in light of the legal shitstorm you'll face anyway.

Carrying an SD firearm here has always been a risky thing to do, given the attitude of our state government. I don't see that this, or any other legislation they might pass in the future, makes it any safer nor, really, any more risky.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I answered that way because I thought I just read that they are essentially banning concealed carry.

 

[Woodsloafer]

Nobody does. But ive been around a while. I'm willing to have a bit of a hard time in order to defeat this stuff for the younger people. We had time to stock up. At least that's something.
Now let's hope it's defeatable

Even if it is defeatable, it will take 5-10 years to defeat, during that time dealers will go out of business and younger people will get discouraged.

 

[Marty McFly]

If you have a 15 rounder in your g19 when you cap some lowlife, you'll be charged...

So we need to carry 2 spare mags now? Ditch the hi cap in the 14 minutes before police arrive? So. Much. Work....

 

[Woodsloafer]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I answered that way because I thought I just read that they are essentially banning concealed carry.

You're mistaken, only some places where it probably does not matter to most of us.

 

[Waher]

I'm going to hold out hope that SAF/FPC files for an immediate injunction that somehow magically falls into Judge Woodcock's lap and he decides to grant the injunction pending years of the state making fools of themselves in his courtroom.

 

[Woodsloafer]

So we need to carry 2 spare mags now? Ditch the hi cap in the 14 minutes before police arrive? So. Much. Work....

I just write "10 rounds max" on all of mine, with permanent markings.

 

[Darksideblues42]

Lots of second-order effects in this bill that fall outside the GOAL summary:

- No sale of pre-ban mags to non dealers, and grandfather exemption does NOT include licensed carry in public. This is a huge trap waiting to be sprung on anyone involved in a self-defense encounter.

- "Frame not a gun" loophole gone

- Mandate that confiscated guns not used in crimes be auctioned (as if they will follow this)

- 500ft dwelling ban excludes does not include "underground target or indoor test ranges" with consent of owner. Time for a 5 gallon bucket of sand from Home Depot labeled "Test Range Bullet Stop".

Worse than that.

"No person shall manufacture or assemble a privately made firearm that does not
comply with all relevant state and federal safety regulations."


Did you put your 80% through all the proof testing? Did you submit samples to make sure it complies with the roster requirements?

 

[inerlogic]

So we need to carry 2 spare mags now? Ditch the hi cap in the 14 minutes before police arrive? So. Much. Work....

Taking the crippled bases off my G21 mags as we speak

 

[VTski4x4]

I'm going to hold out hope that SAF/FPC files for an immediate injunction that somehow magically falls into Judge Woodcock's lap and he decides to grant the injunction pending years of the state making fools of themselves in his courtroom.

I already emailed FPC & GOA, AND made extra donations. Gotta keep them hot and bothered so they help us ASAP.

 

[Picton]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I answered that way because I thought I just read that they are essentially banning concealed carry.

No. They're really just asking nicely if we'd please keep it to ten rounds when strapped.

 

[inerlogic]

Dammit..... i wanted a gen 5 g19 too..... i don't like the stupid finger grooves on the gen 3....

 

[Marty McFly]

I just write "10 rounds max" on all of mine, with permanent markings.

I'll have to scratch out where I wrote pre94 on my mags

 

[milktree]

- 500ft dwelling ban excludes does not include "underground target or indoor test ranges" with consent of owner. Time for a 5 gallon bucket of sand from Home Depot labeled "Test Range Bullet Stop".

Not sure what you mean by this. There's still an exception for underground or indoor ranges... I think. But maybe it doesn't if the exception only counts for buildings on the same property as the range. e.g.: you have a range in your basement. it's a range, so your house is OK. But your neighbor is less than 500 ft away, so you're f***ed.

Section 12E. (a) Whoever discharges a firearm as defined in section 121 of chapter 140 within 500 feet of a dwelling or other building in use, except with the consent of the owner or legal occupant thereof, shall be punished by a fine of not less than $50 nor more than $100 dollars or by imprisonment in a jail or house of correction for not more than 3 months, or both such fine and imprisonment.

(snip)

(c) This section shall not apply to a dwelling or building on the same property as:
(i) persons using underground or indoor target or test ranges with the consent of the owner or legal occupant thereof;
(ii) persons using outdoor skeet, trap, target or test ranges with the consent of the owner or legal occupant of the land on which the range is established; or
(iii) persons using shooting galleries, licensed and defined under the provisions of section 56A of chapter 140.

Nothing in this section shall exempt any person from compliance with noise control laws, regulations, ordinances or by-laws in effect or from the prohibitions of section 58 of chapter 131.

 

[440Sixpack]

So we need to carry 2 spare mags now? Ditch the hi cap in the 14 minutes before police arrive? So. Much. Work....

Don't forget to police your brass too, you don't want to give them conflicting evidence. Hope the perps don't have more than 11 holes in them.

 

[DJBrad]

Carry those hi caps like femenazis going out in public without a top. Or at least like most women go braless if you are particularly afraid of your own shadow.

 

[VTski4x4]

Be very careful of the LCFD definition. If you know, you know.

 

[inerlogic]

That was my first thought. Evil features galore pre 8/1, right?

Jjst gonna put this out there...

They have to have been "lawfully possessed" before 8/1

They only way to lawfully possess an "AW" with evil features is if it had them before 1994.

In 2016 marsha said they were all illegal copy cats and that we were lucky she was choosing to not prosecute...

So the state can say.... how can you have lawfully possessed something that was illegal?

 

[DJBrad]

Trade for 1 oz gold Buffalo