MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[chris_1001]

Lol. That'll be rich once it gets to court.

Meaning, the state will never bother trying to enforce it.

Like the past.

We are all felons in waiting.

 

[Lxpony]

I need to read this some more, but I do NOT see new grandfathering. So all the guns you have now that are AWB compliant would suddenly be felonies upon implementation of this bill. I will look again, but the places it should be are not referenced. No change to chap 140 sec 131M which is where it would be expected.

Agreed. That is concerning. How can they possibly say that a gun you owned legally today is now illegal once this law goes into effect?

 

[Ron Jablonski]

Maybe I will (recover someday) if I can find a new hobby for which the state doesn't want to bankrupt me and then throw me in prison.

This is not a hobby, it's a right.

 

[DJBrad]

I need to read this some more, but I do NOT see new grandfathering. So all the guns you have now that are AWB compliant would suddenly be felonies upon implementation of this bill. I will look again, but the places it should be are not referenced. No change to chap 140 sec 131M which is where it would be expected.

So when are we moving?

 

[1903Collector]

I'm confused, is this an amendment to the house bill?

 

[Lxpony]

....and what happened to the effective 8/1/2024 language?? There is no window?

 

[bigbravehog]

Agreed. That is concerning. How can they possibly say that a gun you owned legally today is now illegal once this law goes into effect?

Because they can and they will.

 

[mcf84check]

So would pre-94 ARs still be "allowed" under this proposal?

 

[Lxpony]

So would pre-94 ARs still be "allowed" under this proposal?

Appears that hasn't changed although there is reference to guns made before 10/93 which is odd

 

[Yazz]

The good wife keeps pushing bird watching on me. Dirt cheap since she already bought me the binoculars and the book.

Well that will be next. The frightening birds by watching them law.

 

[Picton]

I'm confused, is this an amendment to the house bill?

No. This is a separate can of shit. The Senate is pissy with the House and didn't want to take up their bill; they wanted to write their own.

This is their own.

 

[s&w3913]

If I ever move back. I really can’t afford to even if I wanted to. I would be a felon instantly just because of my magazines and my plain Jane boring AR-15 I own that has an adjustable stock a bayonet lug and iron sites like it’s 2000

 

[Mesatchornug]

....and what happened to the effective 8/1/2024 language?? There is no window?

following on what @Picton said, that's not here because they're different bills.

so, even if it passes the Senate, they'll be forced into a reconciliation effort between the two houses.

 

[bigbravehog]

Lol. That'll be rich once it gets to court.

Meaning, the state will never bother trying to enforce it.

Here's the delimma. You use your AR to protect your family from an armed home invasion, and YOU go to jail

 

[souper]

following on what @Picton said, that's not here because they're different bills.

so, even if it passes the Senate, they'll be forced into a reconciliation effort between the two houses.

Doesn’t it clearly state it’s an amendment to the house bill?

Text of the Senate amendment (Senator Creem) to the House Bill modernizing firearm laws (House, No. 4139).

 

[MaroonedinMA]

Things are gonna get hairy for a little while, but this will produce some interesting court cases if it passes in any similar fashion.

 

[Spartan65]

Here's the delimma. You use your AR to protect your family from an armed home invasion, and YOU go to jail

I would not be sorry to go to jail if it saved my familes life. Let’s not be cowards.

 

[Picton]

Here's the delimma. You use your AR to protect your family from an armed home invasion, and YOU go to jail

In MA, I would anyway. Most likely. That's a risk here, no matter what's in these new bills.

#ShotgunStyle

 

[chris_1001]

Here's the delimma. You use your AR to protect your family from an armed home invasion, and YOU go to jail

Call the cops.

Pee on yourself

Blow your rape whistle

Bite the pillow

Mura does not like self help. Legal or not.

 

[bigbravehog]

I would not be sorry to go to jail if it saved my familes life. Let’s not be cowards.

Agreed but I was making a point about the of idiocy this bill

 

[chris_1001]

In MA, I would anyway. Most likely. That's a risk here, no matter what's in these new bills.

#ShotgunStyle

Only the o/u sleepy joe spoke of…


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CrzyRXSxuAg

 

[Picton]

Doesn’t it clearly state it’s an amendment to the house bill?

They phrased it that way procedurally, but it is completely different content-wise. They drafted it without consulting the House at all.

 

[sig shooter]

They phrased it that way procedurally, but it is completely different content-wise. They drafted it without consulting the House at all.

Does this allow them to try and ram it through before the end of the legislative session?

 

[VTski4x4]

They phrased it that way procedurally, but it is completely different content-wise. They drafted it without consulting the House at all.

No, instead the crafted it in consultation with some FUDD that hates FFLs following the law as written.

 

[Reptile]

I need to read this some more, but I do NOT see new grandfathering. So all the guns you have now that are AWB compliant would suddenly be felonies upon implementation of this bill. I will look again, but the places it should be are not referenced. No change to chap 140 sec 131M which is where it would be expected.

What about pre Healey ARs?

Lol. That'll be rich once it gets to court.

Meaning, the state will never bother trying to enforce it.

Nothing about registration either.

It you’ve been subject to an involuntary three day hold(Sec 12), it is now a prohibitor.

You might have to get a doctors note.

Agreed. That is concerning. How can they possibly say that a gun you owned legally today is now illegal once this law goes into effect?

They should know better. That won’t stand in court.

 

[kalash]

Can we try to keep the jokes and off topic banter to a minimum? These threads grow so quickly that they become impossible to follow and find valuable information.

 

[bigbravehog]

Can we try to keep the jokes and off topic banter to a minimum? These threads grow so quickly that they become impossible to follow and find valuable information.

And merge the two nearly identical threads

 

[Waher]

Agreed. That is concerning. How can they possibly say that a gun you owned legally today is now illegal once this law goes into effect?

The same way they voided "lifetime" FIDs in 1998.

Criminals openly violating the Constitution could care less about passing Bills of Attainder and Ipso Facto laws.

 

[JRLB]

I have made one pass through the new bill


Two things I will highlight with details below:

1. It makes all existing government administrative buildings and courts/judicial builds off limits to guns
2. It removes state preemption that stops local government (municipal, county) from passing their own restrictions on guns

The removal of preemption is in some ways the worst thing possible as you no longer know what the laws are as you pass town to town.

From a practical perspective all ARs are banned.

Frames and receivers are no longer different than the completed gun they represent. This effectively makes the roster for handguns fully enforceable.



Some details:



The bill modifies existing MGL as opposed to completely rewriting Chapter 140



Sec 121

New definition of assault weapon. Long form and not a reference to old federal law. Essentially codifies Healey type language resulting in a complete ban of ARs. Compliance work is no longer a “thing” as how it is originally manufactured or assembled is its permanent condition. That bans everything else.

Firearm now includes the receiver or frame of such firearm

Defines FFL. Defines Frame.

Defines machine gun to include parts designed to convert a gun into a machine gun. So broader than federal language and would include for example the full auto trigger pack of a MP5 or the trigger parts of a M16.

Defines manufacture to be what you think but not include reassembly or essentially gunsmithing.

Expands ERPO. Bend over. LOTS of language changes in later sections too.

Essentially bans force reset and binary triggers with new “Rapid-fire trigger activator”

Defines Receiver

Rifle now includes the receiver of such rifle

Shotgun now includes the receiver of such shotgun

Defines “unfinished frame or receiver”. Think 80%


New sec 121B guns must have serial numbers. FFL 07s exempt from this. Pre 1968 guns exempt. Some other exemptions. This is the GHOST GUNS BAD section


New sec 121C makes 3d printing or milling of firearms by anyone not a 07 FFL a crime. Making guns in MA would now be illegal except by FFLs

Selling machine to make guns illegal unless to a FFL

Any person with a FID or LTC who manufactures or assembles a firearm must notify state within 10 days. So closes the existing “purchase or obtain” loophole addressing manufacture or assemble.

You can never sell a gun you make yourself


New sec 121D bans “digital firearm manufacturing code”. This already lost in federal court so an interesting one to add. No code for making guns unless you are a FFL


Sec 123

Inspections are still done by local police unless they cannot and they then notify state police who will conduct inspection


New Sec 128D this is pure evil. This is language to get around federal law protecting gun manufacturers and resellers from lawsuits for products used as designed. It is broad and lacks clarity such that everyone can be sued if they said the word “gun”


Sec 129D and 131 broaden background requirements for getting a FID or LTC to include a lot more mental checks, health privacy invasion etc.


Sec 131N more broadly bans covert weapons


Chap 269 sec 10 now bans guns from all state, county or municipal administrative buildings and all courts or court administrative buildings. So you cannot carry into town hall anymore, for example.


Removes state preemption for governments below the state level to further ban guns from any area under their control. So think buildings, parks, etc. THIS IS TOTAL EVIL ALSO. We now have laws different town to town


Chap 269 10H defines carrying while under the influence to be the same .08 as DUI

So does section 121 now ban building a semiauto from a milsurp parts kit?

 

[chris_1001]

The same way they voided "lifetime" FIDs in 1998.

Criminals openly violating the Constitution could care less about passing Bills of Attainder and Ipso Facto laws.

I still hang onto mine. Got it at 15 years old.