MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[71montess]

They will go after people. They will go after MA Dealers if any of us violate the new AWB or try and frame out off roster stuff. You have just had your access to the cool stuff eliminated. You will not be able to buy ARs, any semi-auto rifle unless it is one of the three that come from the factory compliant to the AWB, no glocks, nothing but pump shotguns, S&W shields and revolvers. There will be no lawful way to get anything else unless someone moves to the state with them. Remember back before 2017 when the only way to get a glock was to pay Carl $1000 for a beat up gen 2, have your cop buddy do a straw purchase, or talk someone just moving to MA into selling it to you? Those days are returning.

I don’t think you can move into Ma with guns anymore either.

 

[HARRYM]

Anyone remember circa 1976 The Ma Supreme Court ruled that there is no individual right to own any firearms in MA. Commonwealth versus Davis.

We must focus on

Defeating Biden in November

Holding the US House

Taking back the US Senate

For the love of God STOP voting for Democrats

And before my time on earth ends it would please me to no end to see gun owners and 2A supporters unite and make strong the 2A rights organization of their choice and be able to carry a big stick both in terms of financial resources and power in the courts.

It can be done, it must be done.

 

[Picton]

If only they hadn’t created and passed the laws that require expensive training and expensive licensing fees in order to exercise a constitutionally protected right.

Yuuuuup.

I'd love to live in a world where there was a way to point this out to TPTB in private, so they don't have to pretend they don't know what you're talking about.

"You don't get to gatekeep RKBA financially and then whine that the poor can't legally exercise RKBA. YOU caused it, dipshit."

 

[Dadstoys]

At least Moms are getting excited about the bill:

Senate Lawmakers Introduce Comprehensive Legislation to Address Gun Violence in Massachusetts; Moms Demand Action, Students Demand Action Respond

BOSTON, MA – Today, the Massachusetts chapters of Moms Demand Action and Students Demand Action, both part of Everytown for Gun Safety’s grassroots network, issued the following statement commending Senate …

momsdemandaction.org

Obviously they think Glock "switches" are legal items:

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Moms is about as grassroots as f*cking Astro turf.

 

[Dadstoys]

Bruce Tarr actually has some more pro 2a amendments including grandfathering and defining a rapid trigger activator.

He also almost sprained a wrist to get his signature on the red flag bill.
Be suspicious .

 

[Kurtz]

Steven Xiarhos is speaking at my club tomorrow evening about this bill.

 

[Mark from ?]

They will go after people. They will go after MA Dealers if any of us violate the new AWB or try and frame out off roster stuff. You have just had your access to the cool stuff eliminated. You will not be able to buy ARs, any semi-auto rifle unless it is one of the three that come from the factory compliant to the AWB, no glocks, nothing but pump shotguns, S&W shields and revolvers. There will be no lawful way to get anything else unless someone moves to the state with them. Remember back before 2017 when the only way to get a glock was to pay Carl $1000 for a beat up gen 2, have your cop buddy do a straw purchase, or talk someone just moving to MA into selling it to you? Those days are returning.

No...I don't remember those days. Got everything I wanted and it was well before 2017........ Carl? Never paid him anything for his stupid overpriced ill advertised glocks.

That said...the law on frames will change you are correct. That was going to happen anyway in any iteration of this. They finally understand their laws and are streamlining....took them a while. Like a long while....in the meantime people should have been buying what they wanted.

But the frame law was coming down the road no matter what.....anyone who thought it wasn't was silly. I mean the feds call a frame a firearm...not that hard to realize MA will do it as well....even though its taken them one hell of a lot longer than I thought it would.

 

[VTski4x4]

Yuuuuup.

I'd love to live in a world where there was a way to point this out to TPTB in private, so they don't have to pretend they don't know what you're talking about.

"You don't get to gatekeep RKBA financially and then whine that the poor can't legally exercise RKBA. YOU caused it, dipshit."

Wasn't that already a part of Bruen? Exorbitant fees by NY that got shot to hell.

 

[Woodsloafer]

First the senate votes to approve, then reconciliation with the house bill, then senate and house vote to approve the bill, then it goes to Maura for a signature. She gets to do a victory lap. Then we sue and take it to the courts. The courts will then tell us we have no standing and we are screwed. They won't arrest or charge anyone because they they don't want to end up in court.

You forgot where they issue an arrest warrant for Reptile for selling overpriced lowers and extradite him from his ski chalet in NH while his underwear model girlfriend is crying as they drag him away.

 

[Dadstoys]

Yep. I bet there’s a lot of discontent among the other members of the MACOPA that Gillis seems to have acted unilaterally. There are also probably members that are happy he will be the focus of the blame and they don’t have to be on record.

An organized resistance would contact every member of MACOPA and ask for comment and whether or not they support this, and what’s changed.

A no brainer, they got their exemption .

 

[Picton]

Wasn't that already a part of Bruen? Exorbitant fees by NY that got shot to hell.

MA has always been able to point out that $100 isn't really that much. And it's not.

It also doesn't include about another $120 for the required "safety course," around $2-300 to join a club, and the MA premium on whatever compliant gun you buy. The state's fee is only a small part of the entry cost for RKBA, and they could probably make a good argument that it's not exorbitant.

 

[VTski4x4]

MA has always been able to point out that $100 isn't really that much. And it's not.

It also doesn't include about another $120 for the required "safety course," around $2-300 to join a club, and the MA premium on whatever compliant gun you buy. The state's fee is only a small part of the entry cost for RKBA, and they could probably make a good argument that it's not exorbitant.

I would then point out the extreme lack of gun safety demonstrated by the blue city Dindus.

 

[Mark from ?]

MA has always been able to point out that $100 isn't really that much. And it's not.

It also doesn't include about another $120 for the required "safety course," around $2-300 to join a club, and the MA premium on whatever compliant gun you buy. The state's fee is only a small part of the entry cost for RKBA, and they could probably make a good argument that it's not exorbitant.

Technically its 20 dollars a year. They tried to raise it a few times over the last 20 years and its been shut down. If I remember right we actually got an extra year out of the last Deval gun bill...but can't remember it all runs together.

Some free states are not that far off of that for their CCW license fees.

Not that I agree with any fee for a 2A right....at all. Its all bullshit. Every state should be no fee Constitutional Carry.

 

[EJFudd]

Because we need EQUITY in gun safety awareness and education. We need WHAT?

As I pointed out earlier, this seemingly racist provision appears to be a direct tip-of-the-hat to one of Andrea's campaign promises to her 'hood constituents. How it will work for her constituents in real world practice remains to be seen.

 

[AmeriKHAN]

MA has always been able to point out that $100 isn't really that much. And it's not.

It also doesn't include about another $120 for the required "safety course," around $2-300 to join a club, and the MA premium on whatever compliant gun you buy. The state's fee is only a small part of the entry cost for RKBA, and they could probably make a good argument that it's not exorbitant.

Which is all BS. A right can't be taxed or licensed. See: Murdock v. Pennsylvania - Wikipedia

"The privilege in question exists apart from state authority. It is guaranteed the people by the federal constitution." The state does not have the power to license or tax a right guaranteed to the people."

 

[EJFudd]

As far as donating.... just Comm2a, GOAL, and FPC? Anyone else? Should I concentrate on less? I apologize if this has already been covered.

Until we can determine with certainty which national level organization (or organizations... plural) intends to step up and take the lead on the litigation process against this Massachusetts unconstitutional insanity, I would say continue your pro-2A donations as you have been making them.

 

[p..]

Steven Xiarhos is speaking at my club tomorrow evening about this bill.

Bass River, Nauset, or CCF&G?

He's the one rep on the Cape and Islands who I trust, but I'm not in his district.

 

[DarkJoker33]

So, if someone happened to already have a couple lowers that wanted to sbr them.

Should they start the process now or just forget about it all together?

 

[Picton]

Which is all BS. A right can't be taxed or licensed. See: Murdock v. Pennsylvania - Wikipedia

"The privilege in question exists apart from state authority. It is guaranteed the people by the federal constitution." The state does not have the power to license or tax a right guaranteed to the people."

I'm hardly defending it. I'm just pointing out how clever MA pols can be when skirting these lines. Even SCOTUS said a fee is okay.

 

[Picton]

So, if someone happened to already have a couple lowers that wanted to sbr them.

Should they start the process now or just forget about it all together?

Sounds like a fantastic opportunity to non-comply. But that's just me; YMMV.

 

[AmeriKHAN]

I'm hardly defending it. I'm just pointing out how clever MA pols can be when skirting these lines. Even SCOTUS said a fee is okay.

Personally, I support making gun safety courses mandatory education for all high school seniors in the country along with having armed security in all schools, just like the Chinese did after a mass stabber killed 20 people at a primary school.

 

[mothybee]

It would create a safer environment for gun owners and law enforcement agents that would be tasked with carrying out door to door confiscations. The police would say "wheeeew, we don't have to worry about doing that"

I think they should.

 

[PappyM3]

MA has always been able to point out that $100 isn't really that much. And it's not.

It also doesn't include about another $120 for the required "safety course," around $2-300 to join a club, and the MA premium on whatever compliant gun you buy. The state's fee is only a small part of the entry cost for RKBA, and they could probably make a good argument that it's not exorbitant.

$100 is still a lot if you’re on food stamps, are on a very tight budget and will only be able to swing maybe a $200 used gun and one box of ammo.

 

[Picton]

$100 is still a lot if you’re on food stamps, are on a very tight budget and will only be able to swing maybe a $200 used gun and one box of ammo.

Again, I'm not defending it. I'm trying to use an argument they might use: we know how high the barrier to entry is for RKBA in the Commonwealth, but the state could easily point out that they're in control of only a small part of it.

They could even slash it to $50 to keep the courts happy, then jack the sales tax on guns and ammo WAAAAY up and come out ahead. Though I shouldn't be giving them any ideas.

 

[mav]

Is this a commercial for the Mill?

Cuz it’s working on me.

When are we heading up to the mill? I have a hankering for a new carbine to stick up this law’s ass, and I WILL spare the CLP.

 

[mav]

Personally, I support making gun safety courses mandatory education for all high school seniors in the country along with having armed security in all schools, just like the Chinese did after a mass stabber killed 20 people at a primary school.

f*** Moms against guns and all the rest. Israel knew how to solve the problem of schools being a soft target: armed security personal there to protect students and faculty and build schools like damn fortresses, to keep things out.

In this country we’d rather have Police in school to jam up kids and build schools to keep kids in (like Jails).

 

[slipknot]

Steven Xiarhos is speaking at my club tomorrow evening about this bill.

Mobeach?

 

[DW357]

Amendment S.2572

malegislature.gov

Read the Amendments these a**h***s want

Mr. Gomez moves that the proposed new text be amended by inserting the following section:-

“SECTION XX. Section 131P of Chapter 140 of the General Laws is hereby amended by inserting after the word “curriculum” the following words:-

Said curriculum must include a minimum of at least 5 hours of live discharge of firearms, rifles, and shotguns at a licensed gun club, including the discharge of at least 50 rounds of ammunition.”

That will show all the gang bangers in Mattapan Roxbury etc. oh wait…

 

[kevin9]

Given MCOPA leadership has come out in support of this pile of crap, over the reported opposition of some members, where are the chiefs that do oppose it? If one lives in a town who's chief opposed the House bill (ex. Plymouth and Ware) then consider contacting your chief to see if they continue to oppose such crap, or are they goose-stepping with MCOPA.

 

[Shire Guy]

May have been posted already, didn’t see it:


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