MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

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Horatio_Alger_Jr said:
Sorry if this has been talked about before, but what are they voting on tomorrow? The house bill, the senate bill, the admendments?
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Tomorrow they vote on the Senate bill and its proposed amendments.

Notably, this bill is proposed as an amendment to the House bill, as a method of playing more parliamentary games. @GOAL discusses this in their podcast that released today
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The MA Senate has released their terrible gun grab bill in response to the House's terrible gun grab bill. We're touching on some of the bill's worst items in this episode with GOAL's Director of Public Policy Mike Harris, and NAAGA Massachusetts' Nolan Howard. CONTACT YOUR LEGISLATORS and put this nonsense to bed!


View: https://goalpodcast.libsyn.com/breaking-down-s2572-with-goals-mike-harris-and-naagas-nolan-howard


Or on YouTube:

View: https://youtu.be/GaGriTqR9A4
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Rat187 said:
Bullshit.... I went up against the numerous Chief's achieved during my time in public safety and if I thought I was right, I never backed down and I didn't give two turds about my job. It was about what was right.
And yeah, everybody thought I was crazy, but I was willing to lose my job for the men I represented for their lives and their safety... Sorry if this seems like ego posturing, but it's not
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I congratulate you sir. Well done. Sincerely.
But I won't condemn someone who doesn't take the same risk.
YMMV.
 
I haven't made it through all of the amendments but the vast majority of them are stupid - from my call to Senator Pacheco (slurping it up) I couldn't get a clear answer on if the vote was only on amendments or the bill and its amendments.
My thought is they are going to toss this through as fast as possible in order to get things in line for the hard coded dates in the amendments to be able to be met.

We would be in a better position if the house bill were to pass since that is so far over the line that even the 1st Circus would need to intervene in order to keep SCOTUS from taking it up immediately.
This one will likely linger on for a few years unless something out of the 9th or 4th clears the path first.
 
Mesatchornug said:
You've been a member here for 7+years. Your first post was in this thread. Most have been taking part in the "quibbl[ing]."
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And if all the quibbling was worth anything, we wouldn't be here having this conversation.
But you are right - apparently I haven't earned the right to voice an opinion since I don't have 46,387 posts on here.
 
Cavpilot2k said:
I congratulate you sir. Well done. Sincerely.
But I won't condemn someone who doesn't take the same risk.
YMMV.
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You know, I never did either, but the truth is most people in public safety wanna be safe and they're afraid of pushing against the tide. me I never gave a shit. Maybe I learned things earlier in life that were much more important than to be liked
 
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Agnotology said:
Let me ask this, how do you know if a particular municipality's Chief of Police is part of MCOPA?
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On second thought, I would ban all cops from clubs . I don’t want to be shooting something a cop would get interested in and wind up in Maura’s prison ! Too bad but Maura is screwing them , not us !
 
Clubs won't stop renting to PD's there's too much money in it. We were getting over $85K a year from Entergy when they were guarding the nuke plant. But they were there 4 days a week and even had their own range on our property. PD's don't spend as much and use the club ranges, but it's still money.
 
71montess said:
On second thought, I would ban all cops from clubs . I don’t want to be shooting something a cop would get interested in and wind up in Maura’s prison ! Too bad but Maura is screwing them , not us !
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Bro, the rank and file in Public Safety tends to for the path of least resistance
 
Agnotology said:
THIS. YES.


It's like calling everyone here anti 2A because our elected officials are! Regardless of if we voted for them or not, they speak for us.
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I make a motion we kick your ass off NES. I’ve got friend as cops, but I’d still kick them out of clubs. Can’t be trusted in a pinch.
 
Rat187 said:
You know, I never did either, but the truth is most people in public safety wanna be safe and they're afraid of pushing against the tide me? I never gave a shit. Maybe that I learn things in life they were much more important than to be liked
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I get that. I ran into similar circumstances many times in my 21 years in the Army.
But what I am talking about has nothing to do with being liked, I am talking about putting their livelihoods, and therefore their family's financial security at risk.

Look, we all choose what to prioritize in life. For some it is country, for others God, and for some it is the Constitution or 2A, some version of what they think is "right".
I fall on the side of my family. They are more important to me than the Constitution, or God, or country, or my community, or any sense of "right". What is right for me may be different from what is right for you, or anyone else. And it is not my place (or yours, or anyone else's) to criticize a person for what they place the most value on in life. THAT is the very core of individual freedom, which is, after all, what this country is all about.

I bid you all good day. This conversation has reinforced why I never bothered to get involved in "discussions" over the last 7 years on this forum. It is clear that if you think for yourself and don't toe the "party/NES" line, you will be ridiculed and insulted.
I have too thick a skin to be bothered by it, but I have far better things to do with my time.

(doffing my chapeau and taking my leave)
 
71montess said:
I make a motion we kick your ass off NES. I’ve got friend as cops, but I’d still kick them out of clubs. Can’t be trusted in a pinch.
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Actually, I'm fine with them. No, I don't think it's morally or strategically sound to be kicking Public Safety officers out of Clubs. But I having said that, I'm only stating my private opinion, not any Club's
 
Cavpilot2k said:
I get that. I ran into similar circumstances many times in my 21 years in the Army.
But what I am talking about has nothing to do with being liked, I am talking about putting their livelihoods, and therefore their family's financial security at risk

I bid you all good day. This conversation has reinforced why I never bothered to get involved in "discussions" over the last 7 years on this forum. It is clear that if you think for yourself and don't toe the "party/NES" line, you will be ridiculed and insulted.
I have too thick a skin to be bothered by it, but I have far better things to do with my time.
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You have to understand that I'm 76 years old and I serve two tours in Vietnam. I was too young to have a family I went over at 17 well at least a month before I was 18....lol It was a totally different ballgame and I think maybe 10 or 15% of us were married during that conflict. I can't legally call it a war but what I wanna emphasize is I think your contributions here a well appreciated by me and I hope by others.
 
Mesatchornug said:
Tomorrow they vote on the Senate bill and its proposed amendments.

Notably, this bill is proposed as an amendment to the House bill, as a method of playing more parliamentary games. @GOAL discusses this in their podcast that released today
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So they are proposing the senate bill as an amendment to the house bill (which already passed).

So this vote tomorrow could potentially be the vote to put it onto dimples desk?
 
Horatio_Alger_Jr said:
So they are proposing the senate bill as an amendment to the house bill (which already passed).

So this vote tomorrow could potentially be the vote to put it onto dimples desk?
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Kind of. Because it proposes to replace it wholesale, I think there is still a process of review with the house, but it can skip some steps.

TBH, I was drifting in and out of listening while I worked.
 
Cavpilot2k said:
And if all the quibbling was worth anything, we wouldn't be here having this conversation.
But you are right - apparently I haven't earned the right to voice an opinion since I don't have 46,387 posts on here.
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Not saying you shouldn't contribute, just that it rings kind of hollow to tell people to stop quibbling, when that's been most of one's input.
 
FisherTech said:
The FRB still has firearms on their rolls that I have long disposed of through an FFL. Their records are questionable at best. I believe there is a State Police Lt. That was being investigated for Citation Issues and when the Senior Jack Booted Thugs couldn't get him, they went and pulled his Dept issued LTC and then demanded that he surrender all his firearms. They tried to charge for not surrendering firearms that he disposed. They lost the whole case and he is still a State Police Lt. but a very wealthy one.
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The FRB has a list of every firearm you ever bought. They do not delete anything you later legally sold or transferred. It is a "transaction history", *not* a current inventory. They are clear about this. Some PD's apparently misunderstand.
 
mav said:
Here's a thought: Let them pass the law as is and turn tens of thousands of gun owners into felons overnight. Then watch how many fed-up/pushed to the edge gun owners decide enough is enough and go Rambo on the Marxists and their Gestapo enforcers. Dude in PA is just the start of this. Falling down was supposed to be a warning and these mother f***ers ignored it, coming soon as an instruction manual. I almost believe this is what "they" want.

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This is what they want, an unhinged radical right. More justification for turning the screws some more
 
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