Navy "intelligence"

[Dench]

same reason why russia is unable to war wars no more. as when you start promoting people by political reasons and party loyalty instead of actual capabilities, you will get yes men and ass kissers loyal to you, sure, but, well, the helmets will be worn backwards and soldiers will be sent to meat grinders, in order to continue to maintain the office, not to win the war.

just a sign of a normal decay, and it seems some branches are affected more by a 'scope backwards' syndrome than others.

People do attach stuff on rifles and gear wrong all the time. Its mostly a training issue.

I remember when i got my 1st molle gear as the army modernized i had no idea how to properly attach stuff. I was never trained but someone noticed i had no idea how to attach them and they personally helped.

Training and mentorship are cornerstones of a world class fighting force. I suspect our military is more focused on DEI than mentorship.

Id love to know if anyone asked that navy seal why his helmet was on backwards. Optics are reasonably forgivable as some arent obvious to which way points out. But a friggen helmet? They dont even fit on correctly backwards. Its ridiculous.

 

[paul73]

if anyone asked that navy seal

you do not ask your superiors. if they say that crocodiles do fly - you accept, only knowing that those things do fly real low.

 

[tuna]

The CO of a ship shouldn't have a training issue with a rifle, though. He should never need to touch the things. I personally don't see anything wrong in the picture, because I'm not much of a scope user, now I would for sure know something was wrong once I shouldered the rifle, but I wouldn't know the difference between right and wrong just by looking.

And there's some places where training and mentorship are so rare, that any attempt that someone makes to help out is accepted too eagerly. Our unit was going on a deployment, and I was giving some advice to my younger troops, and commander asked me to share that with the rest of the shops. I used email to get the message across fastest to the mostest. In one email I was addressing what to pack, and made a comment along the lines of "no one gives a shit what you look or smell like, so just stick to basic hygiene, all you need is your soap, toothbrush, toothpaste, comb, shaving cream, razor and styptic pencil." I was trying to get the message across to pack light.

EVERYONE showed up with a styptic pencil, and it was a month into the deployment when a young female asked what it was for. lol They were so eager to take advice, they didn't even care if it was valid. I honestly didn't think of the females at all on that deployment, and corrected myself for the next one by volunteering a female NCO to help the younger ladies out.

 

[paul73]

know something was wrong once I shouldered the rifle

an lpvo at 1x will maintain reticle and show just a severely restricted fov but it will not feel too abnormal.
it is if you try to zoom in - and it will run away from you, that should bring in some confusion and brainpower, but, it is, of course, optional - the brainpower.

the story with a starlink beats the scope, though. i wonder if anyone did it on a strategic nuclear sub as well, it would be fun.

 

[Dench]

you do not ask your superiors. if they say that crocodiles do fly - you accept, only knowing that those things do fly real low.

If one of our E8s had his kevlar on backwards im pretty sure he would of had some serious ball busting.

Then again i wasnt navy and i was in a guard unit. So that might explain that.

 

[PappyM3]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-HSspdTvYI

The US military is apparently devolving into 2nd world military paradigms.

That ain't good.

I’ve never really been that impressed with average SEAL small unit tactics, land navigation, or mission planning. But wearing the helmet on backwards is a whole new low.

 

[PappyM3]

you do not ask your superiors. if they say that crocodiles do fly - you accept, only knowing that those things do fly real low.

Not true in many parts of the military.

Some junior enlisted? Sure, they’re not going to go up and ask why the Sergeant Major/Master Chief is doing something wrong. But I know Platoon Sergeants and even squad leaders who absolutely would have professionally called out an ate-up senior leader.

This is even more the case in SOF. … generally.

 

[Palladin]

Navy leader demoted after she conspired with chiefs to run illegal Wi-Fi network on warship

A U.S. Navy leader was demoted for conspiring with other Navy chiefs to install an illegal Wi-Fi network on a warship that they used to check sports scores and watch TV shows.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Devils Paintbrush]

As Paul Harvey used to say, "The rest of the story".

I will add that firing a weapon with a scope on backwards is a dope move, doubtful that he personally installed that unit (looking at you gunners mates).

The navy is on a tear relieving a number of captains lately.

Navy captain relieved

Steering problems that were reported and not corrected, causing an emergency breakaway.

Having personally done quite a few unreps in my day, a steering problem during this evolution would be dangerous.

He got caught in a catch 22, they knew there was a steering problem, but needed them to be underway and on station.
The admiral that knew there was a potential steering problem and made them get underway anyway isn't going to pay the penalty.

 

[rali]

As Paul Harvey used to say, "The rest of the story".

I will add that firing a weapon with a scope on backwards is a dope move, doubtful that he personally installed that unit (looking at you gunners mates).

The navy is on a tear relieving a number of captains lately.

Navy captain relieved

Steering problems that were reported and not corrected, causing an emergency breakaway.

Having personally done quite a few unreps in my day, a steering problem during this evolution would be dangerous.

He got caught in a catch 22, they knew there was a steering problem, but needed them to be underway and on station.
The admiral that knew there was a potential steering problem and made them get underway anyway isn't going to pay the penalty.

Indeed. There’s certainly a level of scapegoating here. The most telling point to me is that he didn’t decline to perform an UNREP or breakaway as soon as the rudder issue occurred. Nobody wants to tell the boss “My ship is broke dick and this isn’t safe. Imma skulk away to a pier to refuel” but that’s what he ought to have done, if only to get some senior level attention to the problem (because multiple CASREPs were ignored?!)

 

[G4Y4HK]

Wow! This is why I’m scared of WW3.

this is the best we have to flex?

The black hand on his shoulder is the kicker.

That’ll do skipper, that’ll do…

Or I’ll hold you so the recoil does not scare you.

What does a navy skipper or XO realistically need to know around small arms? Not like in today's navy fights they get close enough to board each other's ships and go at it with sabres and pistols anymore. Don't most generals/admirals only have a pistol usually and most of them never fired it in a war? All the guy needs to know is to flex his maritime skills, maneuver, whatever. Just gotta be close enough to pick up that phone to bark at CIC to send those harpoons lol.

 

[Darksideblues42]

As Paul Harvey used to say, "The rest of the story".

I will add that firing a weapon with a scope on backwards is a dope move, doubtful that he personally installed that unit (looking at you gunners mates).

The navy is on a tear relieving a number of captains lately.

Navy captain relieved

Steering problems that were reported and not corrected, causing an emergency breakaway.

Having personally done quite a few unreps in my day, a steering problem during this evolution would be dangerous.

He got caught in a catch 22, they knew there was a steering problem, but needed them to be underway and on station.
The admiral that knew there was a potential steering problem and made them get underway anyway isn't going to pay the penalty.

Not only that, but the recommended fix was for the manufacturer technicians to set sail with the ship and diagnose the issue, however, the Navy didn't budget for the technicians to go underway, so it was rejected.

The hydraulic system basically grenaded while they were refueling. They attempted emergency repairs and swap over to the backup system, when this failed, they initiated an emergency break-away from the refueling vessel and damaged the refueling boom.

 

[pastera]

the story with a starlink beats the scope, though. i wonder if anyone did it on a strategic nuclear sub as well, it would be fun.

Not going to receive much through a few hundred feet of seawater.
And pretty tough to get a cable through the side of the people tube unnoticed.

Things that shouldn't happen sometimes do but the strategic side tends to be anal about every detail down to exact matching paint on parts.

 

[paul73]

Not going to receive much through a few hundred feet of seawater.
And pretty tough to get a cable through the side of the people tube unnoticed.

Things that shouldn't happen sometimes do but the strategic side tends to be anal about every detail down to exact matching paint on parts.

they can always strap a freshman outside a hull to hold that antenna in his hands. military ingenuity has no limits!

 

[pastera]

they can always strap a freshman outside a hull to hold that antenna in his hands. military ingenuity has no limits!

You may have said this as a joke but I've seen some very inventive expedient repairs on equipment done by submariners.
Every boat has a different culture and some just get the job done come hell or high water.

 

[Darksideblues42]

You may have said this as a joke but I've seen some very inventive expedient repairs on equipment done by submariners.
Every boat has a different culture and some just get the job done come hell or high water.

I was on a boat a very long time ago, never in the navy, but was able to go onboard a training boat, diesel/electric. (I was part of a team who did a sonar simulator/evaluation system, where they could practice in the lab then do scenarios in the training vessel, active/passive underwater targets that could be programmed with different properties and signatures, etc)

Sat in on some of the training lectures.

The mission and survival of the boat is everything. Do your job, obey the chain of command, and get the job done.

That was stressed over and over.

 

[Picton]

I’ve never really been that impressed with average SEAL small unit tactics, land navigation, or mission planning. But wearing the helmet on backwards is a whole new low.

The SEALs are very good, but they're not as good as they want you to think they are. There are plenty of soldiers and marines in normal maneuver units whose tactical skills are superior to any SEALs'.

SEALs make their money in the water. I'd never think to use anyone else in the world to do harbor work or undersea demo. But I've been wondering for many years just why they've taken on a Delta mission too. They were never conceptualized as door-kickers, and their selection and training don't emphasize those kinds of traits.

I get it. Turf wars are a thing, and every branch of the armed forces think they need to have their own SOF and their own air force, etc.

 

[tuna]

Navy leader demoted after she conspired with chiefs to run illegal Wi-Fi network on warship

A U.S. Navy leader was demoted for conspiring with other Navy chiefs to install an illegal Wi-Fi network on a warship that they used to check sports scores and watch TV shows.

www.foxnews.com

Attagirl! You’ll look so much better in red stripes instead of gold.

How dare a Chief try to improve morale instead of kissing her commander’s ass.

 

[Dench]

for the people asking does the CO need to know basic weapon skills? The answer is obviously yes.

Everyone with access to weapons needs to know how to correctly use them.

 

[paul73]

to know how to correctly use them.

a CO weapon skill: "hey your three! both come here right now and save my precious ass!"

 

[Devils Paintbrush]

Not going to receive much through a few hundred feet of seawater.
And pretty tough to get a cable through the side of the people tube unnoticed.

Things that shouldn't happen sometimes do but the strategic side tends to be anal about every detail down to exact matching paint on parts.

You might be surprised what they can do with a little motivation. Do I agree with what they did...no.

Mr. I am not an American is always looking for RF in a place it should not be.

Not RF, but an example of how important operational security really is.

Apache Helo destroyed

We were cruising on the eastern side of Brazil (near Recife) and hooked up some of our antennas to a TV input.
Picked up an episode of Star Trek (for you trek nerds it was "The Man trap") in Portuguese.

 

[1sern]

Attagirl! You’ll look so much better in red stripes instead of gold.

How dare a Chief try to improve morale instead of kissing her commander’s ass.

Not happening, she'll keep her gold stripes with 12 years service good or bad. It's a new navy now.

 

[Picton]

Not happening, she'll keep her gold stripes with 12 years service good or bad. It's a new navy now.

They demoted her from E8 to E7.

I don't know quite how the Navy does senior NCO promotions, but if they didn't kick her out over this, they'll let her stay in until whatever relevant statute says she has to get out. If she convinces her board she should get that stripe back, she'll get that stripe back; if not, she won't. Either way, if she's able to stay in until retirement, that's what she'll be allowed to do.

But I doubt she'll find another billet that gives her the kind of access Chiefs usually get. That ship sailed (no pun intended).

 

[1sern]

They demoted her from E8 to E7.

I don't know quite how the Navy does senior NCO promotions, but if they didn't kick her out over this, they'll let her stay in until whatever relevant statute says she has to get out. If she convinces her board she should get that stripe back, she'll get that stripe back; if not, she won't. Either way, if she's able to stay in until retirement, that's what she'll be allowed to do.

But I doubt she'll find another billet that gives her the kind of access Chiefs usually get. That ship sailed (no pun intended).

I know she was demoted, though I think she deserved worse. What I meant is her stripe color won't change to red, anyone with 12 years gets gold now.

 

[tuna]

Gold stripes on a navy NCO indicated they’ve never had a discipline issue.

Red stripes are the guys that are fun to hang around and will have your back.

 

[Picton]

I know she was demoted, though I think she deserved worse. What I meant is her stripe color won't change to red, anyone with 12 years gets gold now.

Oh. You learn something new every day. I'm good at uniforms, but I didn't know there was any significance to the color of a naval SNCO's stripes.

 

[1sern]

Oh. You learn something new every day. I'm good at uniforms, but I didn't know there was any significance to the color of a naval SNCO's stripes.

Used to be 12 years good conduct gets gold stripes otherwise red. Under 12 years service still get red now including separation

 

[Andy in NH]

The SEALs are very good, but they're not as good as they want you to think they are. There are plenty of soldiers and marines in normal maneuver units whose tactical skills are superior to any SEALs'.

SEALs make their money in the water. I'd never think to use anyone else in the world to do harbor work or undersea demo. But I've been wondering for many years just why they've taken on a Delta mission too. They were never conceptualized as door-kickers, and their selection and training don't emphasize those kinds of traits.

I get it. Turf wars are a thing, and every branch of the armed forces think they need to have their own SOF and their own air force, etc.

The Navy (specifically Admiral Turner) seized an opportunity to create the UDTs (forerunner of the SEALs) from an operational gap left WIDE OPEN by both the Army and the Marines.

 

[PappyM3]

…

How dare a Chief try to improve morale instead of kissing her commander’s ass.

Really? This wasn’t to improve morale of anybody but the chiefs. And have you heard of emissions control? This was the RF equivalent of shining a white light flashlight on a night patrol.

 

[Picton]

The Navy (specifically Admiral Turner) seized an opportunity to create the UDTs (forerunner of the SEALs) from an operational gap left WIDE OPEN by both the Army and the Marines.

Sure, but that gap has been long-since filled.

Just because a decision was made sixty years ago, it doesn't mean we still need to abide by it. I know; that ship has sailed. But it just seems like a waste of money and resources to expect the Navy to do things the Army can do just as easily, if not more easily.