Looks like there are two current threads, but since I posted today on this one, I'll comment that it took nearly four weeks.
Got mine today.
How about, what's the hold up?
Got mine today.
How about, what's the hold up?
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NH non resident permit?
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Lack of funding to process the applications. We don't have an income and sales tax here. Perhaps if NH charged $100 annually for a non-res license you would be able to get it quicker. Now it's your turn to answer......What's the hurry?
Fair enough. I take it you find a $100 per year tax appropriate. I think you're one of only a few.
What's the hurry? I want to be able to protect myself and don't want to wait any longer than necessary to get permission via piece of plastic, that's otherwise a right that's supposedly "unalienable".
No I don't think $100 per year is appropriate. It took me 3 months to get my MA non-res LTC. Hopefully you can see the irony about bitching that NH took a month to issue a non-res license.
No one was denying your "unalienable right" since here in NH open carry is legal.
Personally I think it takes balls for a person from a state, with such f***ed up laws and restrictions such as MA to bitch about the laws in a state with so few restrictions such as NH. The state of NH is far from being perfect, but it is a hell of a lot better than MA.
Ask yourself this... If TSHTF and you needed to legally use deadly force to protect yourself, which state would you rather be in?
You spent $20 for a 4 year non-res LTC. It took two weeks longer than you hoped for. Boo f***in hoo. Get over it. You could either open carry in NH, or feel free to stay in MA.
How do you know the hold up wasn't in MA? I believe NH checks with MA to confirm that your LTC in MA is valid. Would you prefer that NH deny your application based on an incomplete or unconfirmed background just so as they can keep within the 14-day time period?
Can someone send me the link to the application we have to fill out for the permit?
You can still carry openly in NH. It is legal. And you don't even need a permit/permission to possess. I keep hoping this years legislature will get rid of the permit completely; at least for residents.
I suppose, but my resident MA license took three weeks.
That's a moot point if I wanted to carry concealed. Open carry is for attention whores anyway. You know. The folks that grew up without a hug or kiss from their parents.
Don't blame me. I didn't vote the f***ers in. I'm not complicit; you're barking up the wrong tree, dog.
I think we both know the answer here. I guess this is a rhetorical question?
$20 too much! You're uber-liberal neighbors to the west got it figured out tough. Again, I don't want to open carry. I'm not an attention freak like some other wannabe cops.
No. I don't think there should be a licensing process to begin with. Again, if you're granola-eating, Birkenstock-wearing, Suburu-driving neightbors to your left got it figured out, I don't know why such a "red" state like New Hampshire's got it backwards. I don't know the process, I'm totally ignorant, just like the 99% of the rest of the posters here. I'm thinking you're not that in that "knowledge-endowed" 1% either.
Good for you. My NH resident license was issued the same day, so what's your point?
That is your opinion. The fact remains that the state of NH is not taking away your "unalienable right" since you can open carry legally. If you go back and read the 2nd it says you have the right to keep and bear arms. It doesn't say you have the right to keep and conceal arms.
The people of the state you live in voted them in. It's called democracy. How about you work on changing the laws in your own state instead of bitching about the ones in NH. It would be a wet dream to MA gun owners to have NH type gun control laws.
Just reiterating my point that it takes balls for a MA resident to bitch about the way NH runs things.
Just because you don't want to open carry doesn't mean you have the right to carry concealed. I too love the VT carry law, but I don't have any problem paying my $2.50 per year for my NH shall issue license. Since VT is in fact ultra-liberal I prefer the way of life here in NH. Not sure I see a point here.
Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean a damn thing. Again the way I see it NH is following the letter of the law. You don't need a license to purchase, posses or open carry. If you want to carry concealed the license process is cheap and painless. We also do not have to register our guns. The police have no idea if or how many guns a resident owns.
So in short you not just pissed off about waiting 2 weeks longer for your NH non-res. Fix the problems in your own state before trying to "fix" ours.
You are aware there are 48 states that require licensing correct? States such as Texas and Montana. I guess their gun laws piss you off too.
You said that right.
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I was comparing a NH non-res P/R to a resident Mass LTC.
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Wrong. This would be a FACT. I prefer concealed carry. How's that an "opinion". The text of the 2nd Amendment is not applicable here either. It's especially immaterial considering that the individual right to such claims has yet to be incorporated via Parker.
I don't believe in the fallacy of democracy. Democracy is simply 50% plus 1. In Massachusetts (and any democracy for that matter), the majority can compel others to obligate to the state's wishes via police force. I'd rather not vote to compel others to do anything provided they're not hurting or defrauding others. In essence, I become complicit in the use of force if a vote the fools in. So I choose not too.
How so? I thought it was the Live Free or Die state? Can't say that now considering that it's really "New Massachusetts", right? NH gun laws are different than Massachusetts gun laws. What's your point?
Fact is it took less time for a Massachusetts resident to procure a resident license than it took for the same person to get a non-resident license from New Hampshire.
If you have a right to carry openly, why don't you have a right to carry concealed? It's just a method of carry, right? Doesn't this contract your first reference to 2A?
Just because a law is a law doesn't give it credence. If there was a law that required you to ride stagecoach with two clowns in escort on every third Sunday of the month, would you follow it? Of course, not all laws are good laws. What's your point with registration? Not sure if I follow you. This post was on the duality of sorts associated with the licensing processes.
I take no ownership in what Massachusetts does. I'm not part of the problem. And on that note, I don't think there's any remedy to Massachusetts' draconian gun laws as evidenced by quantity of posts in the Massachusetts sub-board. And I think you missed the gist of my original post. There's clearly a discrepancy associated with resident and non-resident issuance procedures in New Hampshire. If you had such sterling, perfect gun licensing systems, it would look like your neighbor's to the west. So get off your high horse. Your shit stinks too.
I guess you got your Google on full throttle, huh? Moreover, this is totally irrelevant since I have no intention of carrying a gun in these or other states.
Thanks for taking my quote out of context.
I've seen many of the posts here indicating the average length of time for a MA LTC is far longer than it took you. Again, I'm not sure I see a point here.I was comparing a NH non-res P/R to a resident Mass LTC.
Your comments about open carry is OPINION and that is what I was referring to. I was also pointing out the 2nd does not give you the right to carry concealed. Just because you WANT to carry concealed does not mean you have the RIGHT to do so. Understand?
Since you believe democracy is such a fallacy you may be better of off in a country that better meets your needs. Yes democracy means that majority rules, so that would mean more that 50%. Good that you understand that. What system of government would you prefer? You sure do a fair amount of complaining about a system you don't participate in. How do you expect anything to get better if you expand all your effort bitching online rather than doing something about the things you bitch about?
Calling NH "New Massachusetts" couldn't be further from the truth. Clearly you know very little about how NH operates.
So? What was the cost difference for the license? Would you pay the premium in order to obtain your NH license faster? Other than the $20 you spent for your NH non-res license, please tell me what other fees, taxes etc. you, as a non-resident, have contributed to the state of NH?
Pretty sure I already answered this. There is nothing in the 2nd that says you have the right to carry CONCEALED. By allowing you to open carry the state on NH is NOT violating your 2nd Amendment rights. Whether you agree or not.
Please tell me how NH is violating your right to self defense? I still fail to see how you have a damn thing to bitch about in regards to NH gun laws
Yes you were pissed off because you had to wait a whole month for your NH non-res license. Boo hoo, poor you. It took longer than you wanted it to, yet I'm quite certain you contribute very little in fees and taxes to the state of NH. Perhaps MA residents should pay $400 for their non-resident license, or maybe a sales tax only to MA residents. We could then afford to pay the administrative costs for someone to process your non-resident license faster.
There are quite a few discrepancies in the MA resident vs. non-resident license as well. It took you three weeks to obtain a resident license. It took me three months to obtain a MA non-res LTC. Oh and mine is $100 annually vs. what is it 5 years for your resident LTC?
I feel that NH gun laws are damn close to perfect. You are in the minority by complaining about them. If you love VT so much feel free to move there. Is someone physically keeping you in MA? Oh here is preview for what you can expect in the state you feel is so so great.
http://northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=48457&highlight=God
Something stinks around here and it isn't the gun laws in NH.
The point is that the majority of states require licensing to carry concealed. Many of those states are considered to be "gun friendly"
Thanks for taking my quote out of context.
Your welcome. It may have been taken out of context, but still aptly applies.
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NH VS MA
Come on fellows, you guys have a ridiculous argument going.
At this time, NH is understaffed because of budget cuts. So you wait 4 weeks or 6 weeks, and of course $20.00 for 4 years is quite a deal.
Another thing, the process in NH is not the same as it was years ago, before if you had a MA LTC you were good to go, now they are doing a thorough background check, which means more time waiting.
We are all Gun Owners from different states with different regulations, as Gun Owners try to get along.
Fight about politics or something else, not firearms.
Come on fellows, you guys have a ridiculous argument going.
At this time, NH is understaffed because of budget cuts. So you wait 4 weeks or 6 weeks, and of course $20.00 for 4 years is quite a deal.
Another thing, the process in NH is not the same as it was years ago, before if you had a MA LTC you were good to go, now they are doing a thorough background check, which means more time waiting.
We are all Gun Owners from different states with different regulations, as Gun Owners try to get along.
Fight about politics or something else, not firearms.
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Question:
Does who the three references come from have a bearing on getting the permit? Who should I put down? Being from MA, this application looks deceptively simple!
Does who the three references come from have a bearing on getting the permit? Who should I put down? Being from MA, this application looks deceptively simple!
For NH, doesn't matter. I'd just put down 3 people you know. I've never heard of NH even contacting the
references.
-Mike
In my case, and my lady's, the local PD did contact at least one of each of our references (NH resident permit).
Both of our friends who were contacted were trying to recall what they might have done to warrent a call from the Hudson PD before the officer explained the purpose of the call.
We both got our permits despite what our friends told the officer.
First I've heard of references being checked especially for a resident. It makes no sense to do so. NH is a shall issue state, so it really doesn't matter what your references say.
I think references are a joke, LTC, job application, it's all a joke. Who is going to list a reference that will bad mouth them?
This happened to me 5/07 when I applied for renewal of my NH non-res permit. Nice to know they straightened this out. I just reapplied for it again a few days ago. The part that really irks me is now whenever I reapply, I'll have to answer "Yes" to the question: "Have you ever been denied a firearm license in this or any other state".
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If you receive the NH NR permit, say 6 weeks from now. I don't think you were denied in the sense of the word "Denied" like you didn't receive the permit altogether.
I was temporarily not given the permit, after straightening out a little problem, I have it now. When I renew my MA LTC, I will answer no to that question. If challenged I will show the issuing officer my NH permit.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
No rights are bestowed by the Bill of Rights. This includes, by association, the Second Amendment. They're self-evident. I never said that the Second Amendment *gives* any right. I hope that you, as a gun owner, concur.
Any peaceable person ought to be able to carry as they see fit. Therefore, this implies that they ought to be allowed to carry openly or via concealment. Of course I concur that 2A is predicated on the notion of peaceable carry by any non-violent, sane person, unconnected with military duty.
It's quite disconcerting if you take issue with this. If you value your right of self-preservation, it's probably worth taking an introspective analysis on your value system.
Cool! We have a regular Hamiltonian here don't we? I thought you guys died off with the Whig party!
Yes. Democracy is fallacy. Democracy says this: "If we can get 50% of the vote plus one then we can make a law that usurps your rights." Applied in context, it might provide some insight on my observation of "fallacy":
In a purely hypothetical example: If 50% of New Hampshire voters plus one voted for the creation of an income tax, that would be acceptable, per democratic logic. New Hampshire now requires that you surrender 10% of your wages. Punishment for not sending payment includes nasty, threatening letters from Concord at first, followed by a knock at the door by some spiffy men in blue uniforms with Sig Sauer pistols on their hips and a pretty piece of silver jewlery on their chests from the government. If you continue to object to having your money stolen, they're going to incarcerate you, and maybe at the barrel of one of their Sigs. Get the picture? This is democracy at work, right?
I contend that another form of government would be a better safeguard against popular tyranny, namely something like a minimalist republic. Of course, YMMV.
Oh, here comes the predictable "stop-your-bitching" dismissal. And it appears that you have some insight on my personal life on what causes I champion when I'm not working. Care to share?
Care to enlighten the ignorant?
In purely nominal terms it was $80 ($100 minus $20), IIRC. In real terms (sans inflation or any discounting) it was $16.67 a year for Massachusetts and $5 a year for New Hampshire. Other taxes may have included an indeterminable amount of gasoline tax and quite possibly cigarette tax (I didn't buy them for me, I swear.) I contribute regularly to the New Hampshire economy by electing to purchase merchandise from New Hampshire-based merchants (from a consumption perspective). Why this is relevant is lost on me though.
Right. The word "concealed" never appears in the text of the Second Amendment. But it doesn't say "open" either. So who's to say? There's little case law on 2A, and the only meaningful jurisprudence is Miller and Heller. Neither of which discussed or provided relief for concealed or open carry.
Nevermind that. Here's a far more interesting question: Why is the word "bitch" so prevalent in your posts? Is it just more widely used in the Granite State or something?
Not really. I wasn't "pissed" about that. I just made a casual observation:
Looks like they just deposited the $20 check... I mailed it on Friday, September 9. Nothing in the mail yesterday, so I guess I'll either expect an envelope from Concord either today (Wed., October 8) or tomorrow (Thursday, October 9).
Four weeks.
Where's the post to support your claim?
And why does my contribution of fees and taxes even relevant? So people who are victimized by institutionalized theft via tax more deserving in your opinion? $400 is grossly inappropriate too. The actual cost of a Massachusetts, resident license is one order of magnitude less. I think you're grasping at straws here.
I don't see the point. But to dutifully answer your inquiry, it's $100 (5 to 6 year license). You're clearly grasping at straws.
I'm not complaining. Again, I made a casual observation when some errant I-love-everything-about-New-Hampshire poster started some campaign of character assassination. Vermont is certainly on my list. And so is New Hampshire considering I'm a Free Stater. What's your bone to pick with not forcing people to say the word "God"? Or is this just another not-so-clever strawman from you? People shouldn't be forced into pledging any allegiance. They should do so on free will, that's acceptable.
I pledge my allegiance to the republic, not necessarily to the flag, of the United States of America. Yes, we are one nation, plagued by the same, bankrupt, statist regime of one tyrannical government, and we ought to be freely able to divide from said union, and liberty and justice for all.
OK, enough side tracking.
Strawman, I guess we're going to have to start a "Your mama is so..." thread now, huh?
Fine, Strawman.
Whatever you say, strawman.
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Nice that you resort to name calling......You know two can play that game.
It takes you three weeks to respond, yet I'm the one grasping at straws. Perhaps a fitting name for you should be slowhand.....wait I don't want you to be confused with Eric Clapton. Think I'll just stick with Jackass.
I'm done pissing into the wind arguing with you about this. It's not worth trying to educate the willingly ignorant. I think your true colors have come out.
Just calling a spade a spade. There's no issue here. I never complained about the New Hampshire licensing system. In hindsight, I think somewhere three pages ago, you assumed that I was. I was simply posting up on the time it took to get my NH non-res P/R. I guess I didn't have to, but being a contributing member to NES, and thinking that there quite possibly could be other posters wondering about the t/o rate, I thought it was material.
I don't have the time to monitor every one of my posts. If you want a more immediate answer, you can either PM me or send an email: [email protected].
Let's simmer down here folks and keep it civil!
I just received my NH non-resident permit. It took 4-6 weeks and I got a typical credit card sized permit. Now I need to figure out what other states reciprocate for this.
I received a notice of renewal and a blank application for my NH NR license a few days ago, almost exactly 2 months before my expiration date (Feb 9). The application and check went back in the mail the following day. Hope there are no problems.
Thank you for the info.
I sent in my application on 11/18, and no word yet.
I've been watching my bank statement online and they haven't even cashed my check yet.
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I read the whole thread, and it seems as things are still okay to apply even with a restricted class A from MA.
Hopefully it doesn't change again between now and when I can apply for it (I'm applying for my MA license on Monday).
Hopefully it doesn't change again between now and when I can apply for it (I'm applying for my MA license on Monday).
I sent in my application on 11/18, and no word yet.
I've been watching my bank statement online and they haven't even cashed my check yet.
I sent mine in around 12/5 and mine hasn't been cashed yet either. I called to check on the status today and the woman I spoke with said they were running about 8-9 weeks for processing after they are received! I can't believe they have that many applications to process that it caused a 9 week back-up.
Mine's on the way
I also called them today (I also mailed mine on 12/5/08) and she indicated that I should be receiving it shortly so I'm sure you're right behind me...
I also called them today (I also mailed mine on 12/5/08) and she indicated that I should be receiving it shortly so I'm sure you're right behind me...
What is the phone number to call to inquire?
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