mav
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That and a M240 set up on a tripod with T&E.Not enough you need a mortar team
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That and a M240 set up on a tripod with T&E.Not enough you need a mortar team
2That and a M240 set up on a tripod with T&E.
Agreed. But if you ever think a threat may be coming, having a 12ga handy is not the worst choice.No, but the point is if there's a threat I'm going to the thing i have quick at hand which is probably going to be a handgun. Unless you leave shotguns sprinkled around your house they're going to be niche players at best.
I disagree. If you buy the cheapest guns available, they will perform like the cheapest guns available, with very rare exception.Buy the cheapest pump action shotgun and the cheapest polymer pistol, doesn’t really matter which ones.
So much bad advise in one post. I don't even know where to start.Buy the cheapest pump action shotgun and the cheapest polymer pistol, doesn’t really matter which ones. I know you said not cheap guns.
But if you’re on a budget, this is what I would do if you don’t already own guns, then buy yourself some ammo and a holster for your pistol.
Then you have a loadout
You can just do a bunch of dry fire with your shotgun for training it’s not exactly rocket science.
It’s not like you’re planning on facing an armed attack.. just a violent intruder load it with birdshot or buck shot..
Just being shot at is a pretty good deterrent. Most people aren’t gonna stay around.
Dont do thisBuy the cheapest pump action shotgun and the cheapest polymer pistol, doesn’t really matter which ones. I know you said not cheap guns.
But if you’re on a budget, this is what I would do if you don’t already own guns, then buy yourself some ammo and a holster for your pistol.
Then you have a loadout
You can just do a bunch of dry fire with your shotgun for training it’s not exactly rocket science.
It’s not like you’re planning on facing an armed attack.. just a violent intruder load it with birdshot or buck shot..
Just being shot at is a pretty good deterrent. Most people aren’t gonna stay around.
You forgot to mention that you can hit multiple assailants with a single shot without aiming & it won’t penetrate walls.All you need is a shotgun for home defense. You just rack the action and that will send the intruder fleeing…
So much bad advise in one post. I don't even know where to start.
Dont do this
I had a cz horde control pump that felt like a donkey was kicking my shoulder every shot
Turned me off shotguns for a while
The recoil was on par with a marlin 45/70 shooting leverolution
A gun that sucks to shoot doesnt get trained withTo each their own.. but for home defense on a “budget”. How many shots are you really gonna take.
None.... If the POS firearm you bought malfunctions.To each their own.. but for home defense on a “budget”. How many shots are you really gonna take.
What about if you're taking a shit?
Shower gun
Yeah, I have no idea what just happened either.
A gun that sucks to shoot doesnt get trained with
Shotguns are great at ending the fight if you hit what you’re shooting at before you get shot. There’s no doubt about that.OK, home defense shotguns don’t suck. They are actually pretty decent.
But you are totally correct, a carbine is just objectively better in every way. I still think a shotgun is leaps and bounds better than any handgun
I kinda get your pointI get your point, but is he looking for a cool range toy, or real defense? it doesn’t take much experience to shoot a shotgun down the hallway..
How much training do you really need?
Don’t shoot yourself or your family members.
Couple shitty guns thousand rounds of ammo you’re good to go
If hes truly “on a budget” my suggestion is more than practical. Lots of people train with shitty guns. Make sure it works. Make sure you can kind of hit a man size target at 10 feet and that’s it.
Training and real life experience are two different things.. everyone should hope they never have to deal with the real experience.
I’m not arguing with you I’m just expressing a reasonable point of view. I don’t see how spending more money on a gun is going to make him more safe.
I would take a couple $300 guns and ammo over $1000 gun plus ammo.
Maybe he’s just skinflinting I don’t know.
Shotguns are great at ending the fight if you hit what you’re shooting at before you get shot. There’s no doubt about that.
Why I think they suck for home defense is they’re generally large and unwieldy in most tight quarters, they kick like a pissed off draft horse, they exceptionally loud and have a ton of blast which may or may not make a difference im not sure, follow up shots are slow, you have less rounds than most pistols and semi auto rifles, for most of us they’re miserable to train with to become as profficient as we could with a pistol or rifle, and also they’re really expensive to train with too.
There are probably other reasons too. For me, they’re not the best option. I actually think they’re good if the attacker is unarmed and there’s only one attacker. But if it was a gunfight or multiple attackers, I think they’re not a very good choice.
Why did I recommend a low-cost shotgun and low-end plastic 9mm handgun (in lieu of just one more expensive handgun) as a poor man's home starter kit? Because not all threats are human and sneaking around inside your bedroom at night for starters. There are other threat scenarios. And the Mossberg Maverick 88 Security is so amazingly cheap to buy (at around $199+Tx if you are a really good shopper) that it almost doesn't make sense not to own one. And load it up with Mini-Shells if you don't like the kick of a 12 Gauge.Shotguns are great at ending the fight if you hit what you’re shooting at before you get shot. There’s no doubt about that.
Why I think they suck for home defense is they’re generally large and unwieldy in most tight quarters, they kick like a pissed off draft horse, they exceptionally loud and have a ton of blast which may or may not make a difference I'm not sure, follow up shots are slow, you have less rounds than most pistols and semi auto rifles, for most of us they’re miserable to train with to become as proficient as we could with a pistol or rifle, and also they’re really expensive to train with too.
There are probably other reasons too. For me, they’re not the best option. I actually think they’re good if the attacker is unarmed and there’s only one attacker. But if it was a gunfight or multiple attackers, I think they’re not a very good choice.