oregon militia seizes building

[NHAtHeart]

I don't know about the audio. From the video , it looks like a clean shoot. If the audio comes out with damning evidence I will tip my hat and bow out.

Contrary to what bones thinks, I am a skeptic when it comes to official stories. I do enjoy trolling the cop bashers sometimes however.

As to the stolen gun, I don't know why you would think it strange that a hardcore anti government type would have an off books gun. It makes way more sense to me than the theory that it was planted.

Make whatever crackpot theories you want, but he was reaching for the spot where he normally carried his sidearm. I don't buy the "he was grasping for the area he was shot" bullshit. He was debating with himself whether or not to pull his gun and he punked out at the moment of truth.

I think the first shots came as he was driving at the roadblock. Like it or not, that is considered lethal force and makes the shoot good. If he had complied with the cops he would be alive today.

I guess I wouldn't consider Lavoy Finnicum a "hardcore anti-government type", he seems like a salt of the earth man that was pushed too far to me.

 

[kalash]

Don't we like to say that police are justified when shooting some perp who appears to be reaching for something, since the LEOs can't know what the perp is about to do? In this case how could they have known if he is reaching for a gun (not far fetched that an anti-gov guy of that caliber wouldn't go down without a fight) or just stumbling around in deep snow or whatever else? Just thinking out loud here.

 

[xtry51]

When you have a warrant for your arrest, it is not optional. Do you think it should be?

If so does that apply to diddlers, rapists, thieves and gangbangers also, or just white guys in cowboy hats?

Just get on the train Jew. It's the law.

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Don't we like to say that police are justified when shooting some perp who appears to be reaching for something, since the LEOs can't know what the perp is about to do? In this case how could they have known if he is reaching for a gun (not far fetched that an anti-gov guy of that caliber wouldn't go down without a fight) or just stumbling around in deep snow or whatever else? Just thinking out loud here.

That's only the case when the cops don't shoot before he "reaches". In this case they shot him first, then he "reached". Autopsy shows a gut shot.

 

[Horrible]

I don't know about the audio. From the video , it looks like a clean shoot. If the audio comes out with damning evidence I will tip my hat and bow out.

Contrary to what bones thinks, I am a skeptic when it comes to official stories. I do enjoy trolling the cop bashers sometimes however.

As to the stolen gun, I don't know why you would think it strange that a hardcore anti government type would have an off books gun. It makes way more sense to me than the theory that it was planted.

Make whatever crackpot theories you want, but he was reaching for the spot where he normally carried his sidearm. I don't buy the "he was grasping for the area he was shot" bullshit. He was debating with himself whether or not to pull his gun and he punked out at the moment of truth.

I think the first shots came as he was driving at the roadblock. Like it or not, that is considered lethal force and makes the shoot good. If he had complied with the cops he would be alive today.

Complied with the COPS? How? Did they release the audio of the interaction between Finicum and the Feds/OSP? Because I didn't hear it. And have no idea what the COPS told him to do or what commands they gave him prior to putting three rounds in his back!

I am sure that once they release the dashcam video and audio (used in some cases to exonerate OR SP) and the body cam footage and audio, this will all be cleared up.

 

[In God We Trust]

Just get on the train Jew. It's the law.

Now we are getting off track dude. Are we debating the merits of the law or the fact that laws should be enforced?

 

[xtry51]

Always the merits. I have very little use for 99% of "the law".

 

[In God We Trust]

Complied with the COPS? How? Did they release the audio of the interaction between Finicum and the Feds/OSP? Because I didn't hear it. And have no idea what the COPS told him to do or what commands they gave him prior to putting three rounds in his back!

I am sure that once they release the dashcam video and audio (used in some cases to exonerate OR SP) and the body cam footage and audio, this will all be cleared up.

I'm going from the audio that finnicums buddy had from inside the truck.

 

[the_shootist]

Murdered by cop.

FIFY

 

[Jason Flare]

Don't we like to say that police are justified when shooting some perp who appears to be reaching for something, since the LEOs can't know what the perp is about to do? In this case how could they have known if he is reaching for a gun (not far fetched that an anti-gov guy of that caliber wouldn't go down without a fight) or just stumbling around in deep snow or whatever else? Just thinking out loud here.

That's good thinking. Of course he was not going down without a fight and had to be reaching for a gun. They had already shot at him.

Good thinking.

 

[In God We Trust]

Always the merits. I have very little use for 99% of "the law".

As do I. I probably agree with more laws than the average NESer, but sure most of them are bullshit.

The fact remains that the law is the law. When you break it, chances are good that you will wind up in a situation where you have to decide whether to comply with cops or be a finnicum

 

[xtry51]

I'm going from the audio that finnicums buddy had from inside the truck.

The entire stop was ridiculous. They were on their way to SEE A SHERIFF. The FBI knew this before they made this event happen. They could have let them go to the meeting and arrested them as they went in or came out.

 

[10thSFFD]

I don't know about the audio. From the video , it looks like a clean shoot. If the audio comes out with damning evidence I will tip my hat and bow out.

Contrary to what bones thinks, I am a skeptic when it comes to official stories. I do enjoy trolling the cop bashers sometimes however.

As to the stolen gun, I don't know why you would think it strange that a hardcore anti government type would have an off books gun. It makes way more sense to me than the theory that it was planted.

Make whatever crackpot theories you want, but he was reaching for the spot where he normally carried his sidearm. I don't buy the "he was grasping for the area he was shot" bullshit. He was debating with himself whether or not to pull his gun and he punked out at the moment of truth.

I think the first shots came as he was driving at the roadblock. Like it or not, that is considered lethal force and makes the shoot good. If he had complied with the cops he would be alive today.

I think you are visiting us from Yahoo. No problem. Welcome to the real world where we demand facts before we are served!

Special agent in charge of this trap promised official audio to be released soon. This was few months ago. Based on your strong criticism I was hoping you will provide us with some kind of time frame for production and editing of this sad soundtrack. But you have no clue. You are waiting like us. No contribution from you, Sir. I am disappointed.

I am also very concerned about your important statement: "As to the stolen gun, I don't know why you would think it strange that a hardcore anti government type would have an off books gun. It makes way more sense to me than the theory that it was planted."

I am, Sir, surrounded by "hardcore types" on this forum. They hate what is being served to them and they do not like to kiss rings. May I recommend to enjoy the instant happiness on many Yahoo forums where soft info is packaged with nice bows? While you are there, please, use also Google Search and type there: "police planting guns". You will be amazed what will pop out even on this very soft virtual reality. Do not get scared, feel free to click on some links and you may learn that security experts consider planting guns as "a standard procedure". This is not us, hardcore types, talking, these are government liking experts. I mistaken you for one. I apologize. You are just browsing here. You do not mind throwing mud on a dead man. Why should you? You enjoy trolling!

I want facts and not skid marks!

 

[Horrible]

I'm going from the audio that finnicums buddy had from inside the truck.

Saw that video. No possible way to make out what the commands from the LEOs were with the cellphone video from inside the truck. You are speculating.

Again, if the dashcam footage and audio are released instead of crappy drone footage (no audio) this will be cleared up. Makes ya wonder why the OR SP and the Feds haven't released that footage, doesn't it?!?

 

[10thSFFD]

The entire stop was ridiculous. They were on their way to SEE A SHERIFF. The FBI knew this before they made this event happen. They could have let them go to the meeting and arrested them as they went in or came out.

Not in Oregon. They like trapping in the woods far away from any civilization.

 

[the_shootist]

When you have a warrant for your arrest, it is not optional. Do you think it should be?

If so does that apply to diddlers, rapists, thieves and gangbangers also, or just white guys in cowboy hats?

I'd like to ask you something. Why did law enforcement continue firing on the truck for several minutes when they weren't being fired upon with three people inside the truck who, by the way were not firing back? Where was the threat that warranted continually firing on that truck?

Take you time making your case....I'll wait!

 

[Jason Flare]

Saw that video. No possible way to make out what the commands from the LEOs were with the cellphone video from inside the truck. You are speculating.

Again, if the dashcam footage and audio are released instead of crappy drone footage (no audio) this will be cleared up. Makes ya wonder why the OR SP and the Feds haven't released that footage, doesn't it?!?

They have to remember what they said about who did the shooting and whether the video refutes or supports that.

 

[Horrible]

As do I. I probably agree with more laws than the average NESer, but sure most of them are bullshit.

The fact remains that the law is the law. When you break it, chances are good that you will wind up in a situation where you have to decide whether to comply with cops or be a finnicum

Which lawrs exactly, did he break? Was he speeding? Is that why he was stopped?

 

[10thSFFD]

As do I. I probably agree with more laws than the average NESer, but sure most of them are bullshit.

The fact remains that the law is the law. When you break it, chances are good that you will wind up in a situation where you have to decide whether to comply with cops or be a finnicum

You just underlined what I concluded from your previous post. Sir, do you understand: PROTECT AND SERVE? Do you feel it?

Where is your compassion for a common man?

 

[Horrible]

They have to remember what they said about who did the shooting and whether the video refutes or supports that.

Yup. Like the FBI agent saying he never fired his weapon and now ballistics evidence refutes that.

 

[the_shootist]

Yup. Like the FBI agent saying he never fired his weapon and now ballistics evidence refutes that.

Small little detail....pay no attention to the man behind the curtain

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As do I. I probably agree with more laws than the average NESer, but sure most of them are bullshit.

The fact remains that the law is the law. When you break it, chances are good that you will wind up in a situation where you have to decide whether to comply with cops or be a finnicum

OK Dick Tracy. It's only back and white with you government lemming folks. You see only what you want to see to support your government and ignore the rest

 

[xtry51]

Yup. Like the FBI agent saying he never fired his weapon and now ballistics evidence refutes that.

You mean a regular citizen can't lie about shooting someone and then change their story later consequence free when the evidence shows you were lying? [/SARCASM]

 

[10thSFFD]

You mean a regular citizen can't lie about shooting someone and then change their story later consequence free when the evidence shows you were lying? [/SARCASM]

Our police and FBI especially have technology, labs, procedures, rules of engagements,....they have everything and everything should be used now to create a nice public report. I will ask for this report. Keep asking also.

 

[RadiCS]

This is pretty interesting... Looks like he was shot at when he first got out with his hands up. [video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uH4PInHFfOc[/video]

 

[xtry51]

This is pretty interesting... Looks like he was shot at when he first got out with his hands up. [video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uH4PInHFfOc[/video]

Whether or not that's when he got hit first, it's clear they were shooting immediately. That makes the entire "we shot only when he reached for a gun" story immediately a lie.

 

[just jim]

When you have a warrant for your arrest, it is not optional. Do you think it should be?

If so does that apply to diddlers, rapists, thieves and gangbangers also, or just white guys in cowboy hats?

In oregon it's the county sherriff that serves the warrant, they are the ultimate law authority as is the case in most states. Finicum was willing to turn himself into the law, the killers didn't even wear recognizable uniform and the proof is them having to be asked who they were.

 

[just jim]

As do I. I probably agree with more laws than the average NESer, but sure most of them are bullshit.

The fact remains that the law is the law. When you break it, chances are good that you will wind up in a situation where you have to decide whether to comply with cops or be a finnicum

Not true at all, Hillary has broken the law and hasn't been arrested or procecuted. I have seen drunk cops get a free ride home from their fellow officers after the drunk crashed into the front yard of a friend's home. I have seen much more than that but by your reply it's wasted by posting it

 

[Supermoto]

Didn't both of the FBI HRT shots miss?

You mean a regular citizen can't lie about shooting someone and then change their story later consequence free when the evidence shows you were lying? [/SARCASM]

I believe they are being investigated for misconduct, but from what I read, they didn't actual shoot anyone

 

[stacarter]

Now we are getting off track dude. Are we debating the merits of the law or the fact that laws should be enforced?

Holy crap dude, are you actually saying that if the law says round up Jews and murder them you'd do it? Have you been fitted for your brown shirt yet?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A

 

[jhblaze1]

This is pretty interesting... Looks like he was shot at when he first got out with his hands up. [video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uH4PInHFfOc[/video]

that's pretty damning....not that it will matter.

 

[10thSFFD]

Didn't both of the FBI HRT shots miss?



I believe they are being investigated for misconduct, but from what I read, they didn't actual shoot anyone

This is why we need to see a completed report. Many questions are still unanswered.

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