Police respond to report of shooting at pro-Israeli protest in Newton

[TLB]

Article from Channel 7 news about Caleb Gannon, the man who charged across the street and initiated the altercation, pleading not guilty to assault and battery this morning.

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BOSTON (WHDH) - A Newton man who was shot after confronting a pro-Israel protest was arraigned this morning on assault charges. In court, with a<a class="excerpt-read-more" href="https://whdh.com/news/newton-man-shot-during-confrontation-at-pro-israel-demonstration-appears-in-court/">Read More</a>

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This article has one piece of information which I have not heard previously. Here is a brief excerpt.



So the prosecutor is stating that Gannon knew that Scott Hayes was armed at the time that Gannon charged and tackled Hayes. I do not know if this is true, or how he would have known, since previous reports say that the pistol was concealed. But if this information is true, it could be significant.

If Gannon knew about the pistol, then it would be reasonable to argue that he started a wrestling match to try and take control of it. That would be very different from starting a simple fistfight.

So far it is too early to tell if this information is accurate, and if so, whether it is important. But for me this claim was very unexpected. Everything I have read previously indicated that the pistol was concealed before the altercation, and that the pistol was unknown to everyone except Hayes, who was carrying it.

Maybe he was familiar with the X feed for the shooter?

 

[not new guy]

Hard to believe it’s accurate unless the gentile willing to pick up the fight for Israel announced it at the scene before the guy charged.

 

[EMTDAD]

sounds based on the article, that he shouldn't be pleading "not guilty"... all the defense says was that the shooter "shouldn't" be there.. and the self defense was disproportionate...

so what about the A&B charges against your client.. the video of him physically attacking the shooter..? should take a jury all of 5 minutes to come to a guilty verdict for this guy.

 

[not new guy]

You think they’d be prosecuting a leftist lunatic who attacked a peaceful pro2a rally in newton and got shot for his efforts?

 

[pewpewpew]

So far it is too early to tell if this information is accurate, and if so, whether it is important. But for me this claim was very unexpected. Everything I have read previously indicated that the pistol was concealed before the altercation, and that the pistol was unknown to everyone except Hayes, who was carrying it.

That timeline/set of facts has been laid out for a while now, though not often reported, and with varying amounts of detail.

Let's just say I personally heard a matching timeline and set of claims from someone who was there and certainly knows what happened.

 

[HARRYM]

Why hasn't the attacker been charged with a civil rights violation? He clearly used violence to stop someone from exercising their clearly established First Amendment right.

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Again I say the struggle against the Communist Left will be long and brutal and we had better be fiercely determined to stay in the fight.

2 years in prison for a "blockade"

 

[not new guy]

How many years in prison do the enviro-lunatics get for blockading a highway?

Weaponized government is ugly and evil.

 

[HARRYM]

How many years in prison do the enviro-lunatics get for blockading a highway?

Weaponized government is ugly and evil.

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms, those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson 1778

 

[Kevin_NH]

Locked up: Meet the elderly and infirm women now in prison for pro-life activism

Jean Marshall, 74, and three other women with major health issues spoke with CNA about their imprisonment and their treatment by the justice system.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

Again I say the struggle against the Communist Left will be long and brutal and we had better be fiercely determined to stay in the fight.
2 years in prison for a "blockade"

How many years in prison do the enviro-lunatics get for blockading a highway?
Weaponized government is ugly and evil.

You're right -- everybody, regardless of their politics or cause, who participates in any "blockade" with a goal of executing a " felony conspiracy against civil rights" should serve nothing less thana 2 year felony sentence in federal prison.

I don't care whether you're blocking a defense contractor, a medical facility or a federal highway -- federal prosecution for all, miniature American flags for others.

 

[zork51]

So when does Scott Hayes get his day in court to clear his name?

 

[Junior314]

Article from Channel 7 news about Caleb Gannon, the man who charged across the street and initiated the altercation, pleading not guilty to assault and battery this morning.

Newton man shot during confrontation at pro-Israel demonstration appears in court - Boston News, Weather, Sports | WHDH 7News

BOSTON (WHDH) - A Newton man who was shot after confronting a pro-Israel protest was arraigned this morning on assault charges. In court, with a<a class="excerpt-read-more" href="https://whdh.com/news/newton-man-shot-during-confrontation-at-pro-israel-demonstration-appears-in-court/">Read More</a>

whdh.com

This article has one piece of information which I have not heard previously. Here is a brief excerpt.



So the prosecutor is stating that Gannon knew that Scott Hayes was armed at the time that Gannon charged and tackled Hayes. I do not know if this is true, or how he would have known, since previous reports say that the pistol was concealed. But if this information is true, it could be significant.

If Gannon knew about the pistol, then it would be reasonable to argue that he started a wrestling match to try and take control of it. That would be very different from starting a simple fistfight.

So far it is too early to tell if this information is accurate, and if so, whether it is important. But for me this claim was very unexpected. Everything I have read previously indicated that the pistol was concealed before the altercation, and that the pistol was unknown to everyone except Hayes, who was carrying it.

Hard to believe it’s accurate unless the gentile willing to pick up the fight for Israel announced it at the scene before the guy charged.

Based on some stuff the guy who defended himself by shooting the sh*tbag has posted on social media it would not surprise me if he announced he was armed. Complete speculation on my part.

All that said I am glad this guy has finally been charged and hope the shooter gets off.

 

[dcac01]

From the Globe on 12/28/2024:

According to the video of the incident in September, as well as witness statements and court filings, Gannon started yelling at the pro-Israel demonstrators from across the street. Hayes allegedly took a step forward, putting his hand on his gun holstered at his waistband. Gannon asked him if he had a gun, and Hayes said he did, so Gannon backed off, yelling at Hayes for “packing.”

But then, Gannon allegedly ran across the street and tackled Hayes, according to court filings. What happened next isn’t entirely clear, but police say that during the tussle, Hayes fired his gun.

So, Gannon seems like an even bigger dumbass if he attacked someone who he knew was armed. PSGWSP. I love how the Globe says "allegedly ran across the street" - I think that's the one thing that's perfectly clear to everyone from the video. Not sure if this helps or hurts Hayes. On one hand, they'll probably say he was "threatening" Gannon, which could remove the right to self defense, fighting words. On the other, Hayes can say Gannon knew he had a firearm and was trying to take it. Certainly, on the video Hayes clearly tries to get the gun out of the picture and in the possession of someone else.

 

[Alex9661]

From the Globe on 12/28/2024:


On one hand, they'll probably say he was "threatening" Gannon, which could remove the right to self defense, fighting words.

I'm not buying it. Let's take the gun out of the equation. Suppose I get into a verbal argument with my neighbor across the street. I say I'll kick his ass, he says he'll kick my ass, then he runs across the street and starts actually kicking my ass. Do you think I don't have a right to self defense because prior to the physical altercation I may have said something from across the street?

 

[M1911]

So when does Scott Hayes get his day in court to clear his name?

These cases often take many months before the come to court.

 

[M1911]

I'm not buying it. Let's take the gun out of the equation. Suppose I get into a verbal argument with my neighbor across the street. I say I'll kick his ass, he says he'll kick my ass, then he runs across the street and starts actually kicking my ass. Do you think I don't have a right to self defense because prior to the physical altercation I may have said something from across the street?

There are times when a judge will rule that it was mutual combat and you can’t claim self defense.

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[dcac01]

I'm not buying it. Let's take the gun out of the equation. Suppose I get into a verbal argument with my neighbor across the street. I say I'll kick his ass, he says he'll kick my ass, then he runs across the street and starts actually kicking my ass. Do you think I don't have a right to self defense because prior to the physical altercation I may have said something from across the street?

As M1911 says, mutual combat. If you saying "I'll kick your ass" can be interpreted as a direct threat, you can't claim self-defense. If Hayes can say his action is "I'm ready to defend myself if attacked" he should be ok - but this is MA and a gun, so who knows.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

You are supposed say "Stop or I will deploy force in a manner and extent permitted by state and federal law".

I defused on threatened assault (someone pissed off threatened to "slap me around"). I backed up, and said "I have no doubt you are stronger and a better fighter than me. I will not fight you but I will prosecute". And yes, I was armed. He backed off.

 

[Nightshift]

You are supposed say "Stop or I will deploy force in a manner and extent permitted by state and federal law".

Mura would have you say “I am rubber and you are glue. Whatever you say bounces of me and sticks to you.”

And then get your ass kicked, throat slit and family murdered.

 

[Alex9661]

I understand the concept of mutual combat, but you can't claim with a straight face that Hayes's alleged threats compelled the shootee to cross a four lane street to approach Hayes instead of walking away. It reminds me of these stupid "I run towards the gunfire" t-shirts.

 

[M1911]

I understand the concept of mutual combat, but you can't claim with a straight face that Hayes's alleged threats compelled the shootee to cross a four lane street to approach Hayes instead of walking away. It reminds me of these stupid "I run towards the gunfire" t-shirts.

I don’t think this incident would likely be considered mutual combat. I think it more likely that the DA might argue that he wasn’t in danger of death or grave bodily injury and thus deadly force was not justified. But time will tell.