Practical Implications of H4885 for Purchasing and Possessing

inerlogic said:
i'm on hold waiting for customer service, i'll be sure to ask them which law they claim prevents them from shipping....
then i'll happily tell them that their competition in Iowa will gladly take my money.... f***ing cucks...
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They did send them when I got my order even though they cancelled them and refunded my money for that portion of the order so they either f***ed up or they playing to cool? I'm going with f***ed up.
 
BroncoAZ said:
Makes you wonder if the point is to drive all transactions to FFL’s rather than having a mechanism for direct personal transfers.
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That is the goal of the entire lefty gun grabbers. They're trying to push that nationally - they spin it as the "gun show loop hole". And I'm sure MA is salivating to be the first to do away with personal sales.
 
LuvDog said:
That is the goal of the entire lefty gun grabbers. They're trying to push that nationally - they spin it as the "gun show loop hole". And I'm sure MA is salivating to be the first to do away with personal sales.
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They could have easily encoded blocking or banning personal transfers into the law they just spewed out. My guess is the only reason they didn't do it was they were politics involved in that situation.
 
drgrant said:
They could have easily encoded blocking or banning personal transfers into the law they just spewed out. My guess is the only reason they didn't do it was they were politics involved in that situation.
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I'm sure they wanted to... For now, I guess they're happy with registration which can lead to confiscation.

They're probably hoping that Kameltoe can push through federal laws that will require background checks for all transactions which will squash personal sales everyhwere.
 
LuvDog said:
I'm sure they wanted to... For now, I guess they're happy with registration which can lead to confiscation.

They're probably hoping that Kameltoe can push through federal laws that will require background checks for all transactions which will squash personal sales everyhwere.
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That will come in the NEXT gun grab law where they close all those “loopholes”.
 
drgrant said:
They could have easily encoded blocking or banning personal transfers into the law they just spewed out. My guess is the only reason they didn't do it was they were politics involved in that situation.
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It would have been too easy to knock down in court.
 
LuvDog said:
I'm sure they wanted to... For now, I guess they're happy with registration which can lead to confiscation.

They're probably hoping that Kameltoe can push through federal laws that will require background checks for all transactions which will squash personal sales everyhwere.
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In reality most of the people behind this garbage don't care about any of that... they care about the appearances of it above function. As long as it contains enough buzzwords to entertain their dumbass constituents.

I think part of it was is they didn't want to incur the costs that a full-blown UBC system would cost which may have ended up tanking the bill. Even if the state collected fees from people using the system it would still have needed seed money to create it.
 
milktree said:
Stop saying "ASW" or "assault style weapon". The language in the law is "assault-style firearm".

I know, it's a stupid linguistic thing, but when talking about laws, these technicalities actually matter.

As of 10/23 there is NO SUCH THING as an "assault weapon" in Mass. They don't exist. The only thing that exists in Mass. on or after that date is an "assault-style firearm"

this is important because someone is gong to do a search of MGL for "assault style weapon" and get no hits, (search for "assault-style firearm", with the hypen)

It's important to be precise when talking about law.
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So does 8/1 have relevants as to builds or purchasing or " REGISTER"? The 10/23 my understanding is the last you can legally aquire anything. The 8/1 was the last anding van come into the state. But who knows lol
 
colesylvester97 said:
but what happens come 10/23?if there instructing police that under the new law post 2016 ar’s aren’t grandfathered that’s gonna jam a lot of people up
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tomg said:
So does 8/1 have relevants as to builds or purchasing or " REGISTER"? The 10/23 my understanding is the last you can legally aquire anything. The 8/1 was the last anding van come into the state. But who knows lol
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For an "assault-style firearm" to be grandfathered on 10/23 (or whenever, if the petition does anything) it has to have been lawfully possessed by an LTC holder or a dealer on 8/1/2024.

If it was not lawfully possessed, it is not exempt form the blanket ban on ASFs.

Note that what has to be lawfully possessed on 8/1 is not an "assault weapon", but rather anything that falls under the H.4885 definition of "assault-style firearm", which includes stripped lowers, and even 80% lowers depending on how they define "unfinished frame or receiver".

Until 10/23 happens, NONE OF THE LAWS CHANGE. You can legally buy anything someone, including a dealer, is willing to sell you. (as long as it's not an "assault weapon" by the current definition)

"register" doesn't exist yet in the new law. There is no mechanism to register anything under 121B until the state makes a mechanism. And once that mechanism exists, you will have a year to register EVERYTHING YOU OWN (that the state considers a "firearm")
 
travx said:
This is also what freaks people out. There is no registration, but the portal calls it registration. View attachment 909021
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By this point if people read what was passed and the "register for these reasons 1-3" in the current portal's description I think they'd be more at ease as the law clearly states the registration system (at the time of signing and still as of today 8/14) needed to be developed and actually communicated out to everyone. As neither of those two things exist/happened there's nothing to register with in accordance with the new law. That and the the reasons 1-3 don't really fit the reasons to register for the new law either.
 
travx said:
This is also what freaks people out. There is no registration, but the portal calls it registration. View attachment 909021
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Yea, and The eFA10 system does not comply with MGL C. 140 § 128B:

Current law says explicitly that you must report the acquisition of a gun from anywhere other than a Mass. dealer or Mass. LTC/FID holder, IN WRITING. It does not say you must use the eFA10 system like it does in 128A

General Law - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, Section 128B

malegislature.gov malegislature.gov
 
zmd said:
@tomg There is a guy on the boards . @Reptile he has some awesome lowers for sale. If u are looking to buy. Priced just right
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That’s mean
@tomg keep doing research in some of these threads. @CrackPot wrote up a great breakdown, but it sadly got clumped into a massive confusing thread. Look through his post history.
 
@CrackPot <-- tagging you so you'll notice this post and provide your perspective.

I don't think I've seen this mentioned elsewhere:

Do I read it correctly that with the replacement of §122B and the merging of "ammo selling license" and "dealer license", that clubs will no longer be able to sell ammo without getting a club license, and thereby be saddled with all the bullshit associated with a club license?

Or is 122B(a) for a "club ammo sales" license, and 122B(b) a "large capacity firearms" license?

It's not clear to me if 122B(c) applies to both ammo sales and large capacity firearms licenses, or just 122B(b)

122B(c) seems to be entirely about guns (and magazines), but then (d) and (e) are about both and ammo specifically.

It would *really suck* if the only way a club could legally sell ammo is to comply with all the other club-license crap.
 
milktree said:
@CrackPot <-- tagging you so you'll notice this post and provide your perspective.

I don't think I've seen this mentioned elsewhere:

Do I read it correctly that with the replacement of §122B and the merging of "ammo selling license" and "dealer license", that clubs will no longer be able to sell ammo without getting a club license, and thereby be saddled with all the bullshit associated with a club license?

Or is 122B(a) for a "club ammo sales" license, and 122B(b) a "large capacity firearms" license?

It's not clear to me if 122B(c) applies to both ammo sales and large capacity firearms licenses, or just 122B(b)

122B(c) seems to be entirely about guns (and magazines), but then (d) and (e) are about both and ammo specifically.

It would *really suck* if the only way a club could legally sell ammo is to comply with all the other club-license crap.
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Today no one w/o a ammo sellers license, INCLUDING LTC holders can lawfully sell ammo. So a dealer license includes ammo in the new law so 3 licenses collapse to 2 for most dealers. Clubs can now get a club license. I dont think anyone could get a ammo license under todays law w/o a FFL 01/06/07/08/10/etc

I dont think this added to clubs burden, but made lawful what they have been doing illegally up to now.
 
CrackPot said:
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Following...

For informational purposes, of course...
 
Spartan65 said:
100% that is next. If it happens anywhere it will happen here.
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Meh. Look at what this last pile was. 🤣 Compare it to CT and CA.... roflmao. Even the antis here are completely incompetent. It's too bad they weren't playing with grenades in the chambers they would have blown themselves up..... 🤣
 
drgrant said:
It's worth noting that "someone was charged" is meaningless without context. When @Cross-X was still around (rip) he told me about a client he had with an LTC-B who got charged with possession of a large cap firearm for having a Walther P22. 🤣 Obviously it was bullshit, but it didn't stop the charge from being applied at the beginning. The cops claim was because it held an 11th round in the chamber it was a large capacity firearm..... 🤣
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I told that cop today about FID holders being felons after 10/23 if they still had Mini14s or other fuddy semiautos. His jaw dropped.


@RIFLEMAN1000 better be careful!
 
CrackPot said:
Today no one w/o a ammo sellers license, INCLUDING LTC holders can lawfully sell ammo. So a dealer license includes ammo in the new law so 3 licenses collapse to 2 for most dealers. Clubs can now get a club license. I dont think anyone could get a ammo license under todays law w/o a FFL 01/06/07/08/10/etc

I dont think this added to clubs burden, but made lawful what they have been doing illegally up to now.
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The distinction I see is that before a club could get an ammo sales license, which did not encumber them with any of the inspection crap or the prohibition on "human shaped" targets. I think a fair number of clubs have an ammo license so they can sell ammo for trap or whatever. MRA, for instance, sells you a box of steel shot ammo when you buy a trap ticket, because they don't want any lead on the trap range and that's the easiest way to accomplish that.

In the new law, it appears that both club ammo licenses and club gun licenses have the same onerous restrictions with targets and inspections and stuff.

It's 122B(c) that indicates, or could indicate, that any club license of any sort has restrictions.
 

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