alan226
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Block the mags down to 10 rounds and then sell them?
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Practical Implications of H4885 for Purchasing and Possessing
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Thought a had a "loophole" there for selling my older, pre-everything semi-auto pistols with their original factory magazines included... but I guess not.
But when I think further about it, why would Maura and Andrea care? Maura would tell me to go sell them out of state if I wanted to recoup their full market value.
Plus Andrea made a point during her campaign about attacking evil "gun hoarders"... previously known as "gun collectors." I'll bet she thinks this is a good start.
In reality outside of a gun shop in MA the prohibition on sale of those mags is completely unenforceable. Just meet someone over the border or mail them from a free zip code. The truly paranoid can take mags apart and mail the tubes separately.
There's no obligation for someone to satisfy this. There's no way to know if someone had owned that gun before, etc. Or simply had always had those magazines. The burden is on the state. "He haz magazines for a gun he doesn't have" is not evidence.
There's no obligation for someone to satisfy this. There's no way to know if someone had owned that gun before, etc. Or simply had always had those magazines. The burden is on the state. "He haz magazines for a gun he doesn't have" is not evidence.
You miss my point.
Say you sell a gun and its pre-ban mags to someone sometime in 2026 after the laws are all in play.
Then say that someone gets busted for ... doesn't matter. Something. They charge him with possession of pre-ban mags. He says, "but DGrant sold them to me, he said it was OK because they're pre-ban!"
Now there's a witness saying you violated §131M(a).
They might ignore you, or they might decide that this "DGrant" character probably has a lot of guns and getting him "off the street" is a good idea.
ThePreBanMan
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How do I register this unfinished lower?
By itself that still is meaningless. He could make that same claim even if he bought them elsewhere and not from me.
Also not selling guns to retards in an FTF is usually a good start/great way to avoid this problem. Not having ads with "pweeban mags" in them helps, too.
The risks you bring up here are functionally no different than the risks that already exist right now. The only functional difference is the scope of violations is a little bit bigger.
Of course.
Right. But you don't always know who's going to turn out to be a retard when faced with jail time.
What risks? Right now it's 100% legal to transfer any magazine assuming you have the right license for possession.
Sure. But the big difference is that something that was legal will no longer be.
All I'm saying is that it's a better to have a compelling, undisprovable explanation rather than saying "prove it". It might save you a bunch of hassle.
Put a serial number on it and FA10 it. use "model: none", and "barrel length: none" and "caliber: none" and "manufacturer: other"
I would suggest the serial number: NOSERIALNUMBER or maybe N053R1AL or even M1551NG
Do serial numbers have to have numbers? Can you use Roman Numerals for serial numbers? What about just letters? Using just letters gets you a lot more address space in the same number of characters. How long can a serial number be? How about the MD5sum of the date/time when you inscribed it? Right now would be fa1a575bacde8ea0045165be89a958bb
ThePreBanMan
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Who says the serial number has to be in the Latin based alphabet. This block of metal, or I mean unfinished receiver, came from China. The serial number should be in Mandarin. But I don't seem to have those characters on my keyboard.
As the law does not seem to make clear at what point an unfinished receiver becomes a receiver, I'm curious if every machine shop in the state with bar stock on their shelves is going to have to register their unfinished receivers as well?
CrackPot
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A person authorized under this subsection to possess a large capacity feeding device may only transfer the device to an heir or devisee, a person residing outside the commonwealth, or a licensed dealer.
So the word is transfer which covers any shenanigans you might think up
These days its not too hard to tell.
If you can't accept minute risks then don't sell guns.
They can still claim a mag is not preban etc. Same bullshit different day.
Marginally. The act of selling the thing inside mass is becoming illegal. Someone still has to prove "you did that". Good luck with that.
Nobody has that for everything Most of the things that people think are proof/evidence are not so much. Especially not with this garbage.
In my opinion if somebody's going full retard on this stupidity than you are already in deep shit anyways... you're not saving yourself from much of anything at that point.
ThePreBanMan
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This is also an egregious violation of my constitutional rights and represents a taking of property without compensation. If you're forbidding me from being able to sell something, you are denying me market value for my asset. Consequently the Constitution demands I be compensated for that.
I have a couple hundred pre-ban magazines. At current NES prices prior to this law that means the state owes me about a billion dollars.
I'm pretty sure serial numbers that contain non Latin characters (Chinese, Cyrillic, etc.) would be problematic. I've got guns that had Cyrillic SNs but got Latin ones when they were imported
No. It starts when the law goes into effect. That's currently 10/23/24
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So, one would not be able to legally buy new springs/followers for their pre-ban AR mags that they owned prior to 8/1?Magazine parts are included in the language.
A lot of questions are actually in the bill in plain language:
Look at the PDF here for the text in a readable format:
The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885
Why? Is "Secretary of Public Safety and security" a different position than "The secretary of the executive office of public safety"? I'm all about calling them on their bullshit, but this doesn't seem like it could ever change the meaning or intent. Because if they called out a position...www.northeastshooters.com
I sold all my AR mags to MA inmates prior to 8/1. However, I have AR 30 rd springs & followers that I will be selling. I guess that I can't sell them to MA inmates . . . sad, very sad.
I am now your devisee.
CrackPot
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I could go find the regulation, but federal law certainly limits the serial to the latin alphabet, numbers and very few other symbols. Guns that are imported into the US that are otherwise serialized have to be remarked by the importer to follow US Federal law.
So under this bill a firearm that already has a serial number now needs another for the state?
That seems crazy? Am I wrong in this?
Rockrivr1
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Sooooo, sell the gun at asking price and then give the mags for free. I know very weak but I didn’t read anything regarding giving stuff away being illegal.
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The word they use is "transfer", basically a catch-all, I was thinking of loaning them but that would be transferring them as well.
chris_1001
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So my “mags” are now going to be referred to as “clips”.
Take that mura!
Take that mura!
EJFudd
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The whole thing is just plain weird and frustrating. Imagine walking into 4 Seasons or wherever and looking into the gun cases and seeing lots of fine used & collectible handguns... but none with magazines.
None over 10-rounds anyway. You need to go find them separately somewhere. Not always an easy task for older guns... but I suppose it's getting easier as more deranged leftist states go to crippled mags only.The sad solution, of course, is to sell out-of-state via GunBroker or ArmsList.
Funny because Massachusetts is already relative Hell for serious
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You're wrong on this. Unless the serial number is in Chinese or Cyrillic or something. But if it has a serial number, you can keep using it.
Also, if it's a pre '68 gun that never had a serial number, you're not required to deface and engrave a serial number.
"mags" are not banned. The language is "feeding device"
chris_1001
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I know. Was trying to be funny with a not so funny situation.
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pastera
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Concur - nothin
And if you transfer the mags outside of Mass then you as the seller have ZERO liability since the buyer subsequently imported them back into Mass.
pastera
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Drive over state line
Hand mag to resident of different state who then hands it to buyer.
Mass law only comes into play when the buyer "imports" the magazine.
