Practical Implications of H4885 for Purchasing and Possessing

DJBrad said:
I get all that except the fcu statement. Let’s throw Sigs out for a second and just consider every other handgun you own that you wanna put a brace on after 10/23.

What do you do with your G19 owned from a few years ago if you haven’t bought the Flux yet and decide to order one after 10/23? Does this give you peaceful sleep at night? Maybe this was never a thing except for the 50oz rule…so carry on?
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“Airsoft” China clones of the now discontinued Glock Flux (i’m calling it the “FRUX”) are now available that apparently work just fine with real Glocks. I’m just going to leave the front grip/mag holder off and avoid that issue since it’s a 2 piece system.
View: https://youtu.be/pxHoA82OYMY?si=WlvihuXXZzoF7b4a
 
If a person owns a pre 8/1 fixed mag ar pistol. Can the mag now be made to be detachable?

On the Jc arms lower it’s literally removing a set screw.
 
So with this EOPSS advisory re: long guns are we still good to buy mini 14s? Lots of people are speculating that it sounds like entrapment.

Also, where does one read the advisory? I've seen it posted a few places online, but don't see anything on mass.gov and I didn't get an email about it:

"Additionally, under the Act and 501 CMR 7.00, dealers may continue to sell shotguns and rifles so long as they are not otherwise prohibited in Massachusetts, pending further guidance from the Firearms Control Advisory Board."
 
Scipio said:
So with this EOPSS advisory re: long guns are we still good to buy mini 14s? Lots of people are speculating that it sounds like entrapment.

Also, where does one read the advisory? I've seen it posted a few places online, but don't see anything on mass.gov and I didn't get an email about it:

"Additionally, under the Act and 501 CMR 7.00, dealers may continue to sell shotguns and rifles so long as they are not otherwise prohibited in Massachusetts, pending further guidance from the Firearms Control Advisory Board."
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I'm no expert, but if there's any semi-auto .223/.556 rifle that will always be legal in MA it will be the Ruger Mini-14.
 
Mesatchornug said:
That seems to be a leading theory.
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Another theory is that if it was fixed mag on 8/1, it was not an ASF under the new law, and therefore not grandfathered as an ASF.

BUT, who’s to know if it was in fixed mag configuration on 8/1? It would be VERY hard to prove by the state unless the owner opened their yap.
 
PappyM3 said:
Another theory is that if it was fixed mag on 8/1, it was not an ASF under the new law, and therefore not grandfathered as an ASF.

BUT, who’s to know if it was in fixed mag configuration on 8/1? It would be VERY hard to prove by the state unless the owner opened their yap.
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No, every firearm possessed on 8/1 is exempt regardless of it's configuration.

1529 (b) Subsection (a) shall not apply to an assault-style firearm lawfully possessed within the commonwealth on August 1, 2024
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The "assault-style" nomenclature is describing the current configuration of the firearm since on 8/1 the term "assault-style" was legally undefined.
If you have an assault-style firearm in the present it is exempt if that firearm was possessed legally in Mass on 8/1.
To be legal on that date it very likely had to be a non-"assault-style" firearm at the time.
 
Yotacrawler said:
At the Mill tonight waiting for my son to get a transfer at Eddie Coyle’s shop we met a Nun looking to purchase a rifle and shotgun. She was in the full Nun habbit or whatever it is called. She expressed how she was not Ok with what Maura was doing. She said “i’ll probably never carry but i want the option. I said yes it’s your god given right!
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And in case people do not believe this, I was there and this is 100% accurate. She is over at Saint Benedict Abbey in Harvard. We guessed she was not "sister" but "mother" but I do not know for certain. Yes, she knows her guns and wants to make sure she can still get certain weapons.
 
CrackPot said:
And in case people do not believe this, I was there and this is 100% accurate. She is over at Saint Benedict Abbey in Harvard. We guessed she was not "sister" but "mother" but I do not know for certain. Yes, she knows her guns and wants to make sure she can still get certain weapons.
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It would be great to have her in the forefront of the 2A in MA. Nuns for guns!
 
PappyM3 said:
Another theory is that if it was fixed mag on 8/1, it was not an ASF under the new law, and therefore not grandfathered as an ASF.

BUT, who’s to know if it was in fixed mag configuration on 8/1? It would be VERY hard to prove by the state unless the owner opened their yap.
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No, every firearm possessed on 8/1 is exempt regardless of it's configuration.
 
pastera said:
No, every firearm possessed on 8/1 is exempt regardless of it's configuration.

The "assault-style" nomenclature is describing the current configuration of the firearm since on 8/1 the term "assault-style" was legally undefined.
If you have an assault-style firearm in the present it is exempt if that firearm was possessed legally in Mass on 8/1.
To be legal on that date it very likely had to be a non-"assault-style" firearm at the time.
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pastera said:
No, every firearm possessed on 8/1 is exempt regardless of it's configuration.
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Double tap reply?

I think that’s a reasonable interpretation, and how I’d follow it. Partly because it would be nearly impossible to enforce otherwise. But it’s far from conclusive. It could easily mean any firearm that would now be considered an ASF.
 
Jeffaah said:
If a person owns a pre 8/1 fixed mag ar pistol. Can the mag now be made to be detachable?

On the Jc arms lower it’s literally removing a set screw.
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an ASF lawfully possessed in the commonwealth on 8/1 by a dealer or LTC holder is not unlawful under the new law. So regardless of its configuration it is legal. That leads to YES on your question
 
@Comm2A
@GOAL

I would like to purchase a raw 1911 frame to machine into an operable firearm.
However, the state now requires me to request a serial number before starting the build process and that system simply doesn't exist.
Also, I absolutely do not want a state assigned serial on my personal work.

Is there anything in the works fighting the two issues

1 - banning the manufacture of arms for personal use by not supplying a method of compliance in the up to two year gap acceptable?
2 - Is forcing a state created serial instead of my own personalized serial considered forced speech?
 
PappyM3 said:
Double tap reply?

I think that’s a reasonable interpretation, and how I’d follow it. Partly because it would be nearly impossible to enforce otherwise. But it’s far from conclusive. It could easily mean any firearm that would now be considered an ASF.
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Yeah phone is playing games
 
CrackPot said:
And in case people do not believe this, I was there and this is 100% accurate. She is over at Saint Benedict Abbey in Harvard. We guessed she was not "sister" but "mother" but I do not know for certain. Yes, she knows her guns and wants to make sure she can still get certain weapons.
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Well then, "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!"
 
ka3ak9 said:
Theoretically, if a friend I know ordered an off roster revolver from their dealer after 8/1 (dealer also got it after 8/1) and got it via a frame transfer, will the friend need to get rid of it now?
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8/1 is not a relevant date vis-a-vis the roster. 8/1 is the date that things are grandfathered from the being illegal ASFs.

Dealers were able to do frame transfers up until the new law took effect on 10/2. So as long as the frame was transferred by 10/2 that is all that matters.

Mesatchornug said:
Your friend needs to learn to shut up.
The law cares about sellers, not buyers.
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yes. the law cares about sellers. But in this case none of it matters. We are talking about the roster and frame transfers we valid post 8/1. The date that mattered was 10/3. 8/1 is just about ASFs
 
CrackPot said:
8/1 is not a relevant date vis-a-vis the roster. 8/1 is the date that things are grandfathered from the being illegal ASFs.

Dealers were able to do frame transfers up until the new law took effect on 10/2. So as long as the frame was transferred by 10/2 that is all that matters.


yes. the law cares about sellers. But in this case none of it matters. We are talking about the roster and frame transfers we valid post 8/1. The date that mattered was 10/3. 8/1 is just about ASFs
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Thanks for calling me on that. I'm still catching up.
 
Mesatchornug said:
Thanks for calling me on that. I'm still catching up.
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I think that's most of us. I just got back from a club pistol shoot. (Most) Everyone was up on the emergency signing and petition, but only a few guys were up to speed on the implications of the new rules for buying selling and possessing .
 
CrackPot said:
an ASF lawfully possessed in the commonwealth on 8/1 by a dealer or LTC holder is not unlawful under the new law. So regardless of its configuration it is legal. That leads to YES on your question
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So, if the once registered fixed mag pistol now has a removable mag, how is it now not in SBR territory? Just because it has a brace?
 
PappyM3 said:
If I was stuck with a fudd semi auto for my publicly facing firearm, I’d go with a Browning BAR DBM before the Mini-14

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Very potentially try and rechamber in 6.5CM.
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It may not be very practical, but for historical and aesthetic purchases, I'd be drawn or an M1 Garand or maybe an SKS. Though I am not quite sure if either of those fall into the "fudd" category (being actual military rifles and all...)

I mean, at least there are no scary looking pistol grips or curved 30 round magazines :p
 
tobiasf said:
I thought I heard that the bill changes the definition of a firearm to include handgun frames so that frame transfers are no longer possible. I'm wondering what that means if some of the effective date language in the bill is retroactively August 1st and I got a frame transfer after that because some FFLs were still doing them.
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Is the law retroactive to August 1?

I don't rememebr reading that anywhere except for super duper evil Assault Style Firearms.
 

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