Night_solstice
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It's not retro active, it was going into effect on October 23rd and now it's in effect as of October 2nd
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Practical Implications of H4885 for Purchasing and Possessing
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read this carefully and slowly:
1) All the laws you're talking about apply to DEALERS ONLY. They do not apply to you. The roster crap has nothing to do with POSSESSION or ownership.
2) If a dealer breaks the law and transfers something they shouldn't have, YOU HAVE NOT BROKEN ANY LAWS. (see #1)
3) The change of definition of "firearm" is only in MGL, not the AG's consumer protection crap.
4) The AG's crap still doesn't apply to anything that can't go "bang", so anything on on the approved roster is good to go with a frame transfer.
4) Blah blah blah Glock Blah blah blah.. Most Glocks are on the EOPSS approved firearms roster.
Mike4MSU
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First, I’m not a lawyer…
But don’t confuse AWB with firearm sales and transfers. If you already own a Glock frame, you’re good to go - even if it was acquired after 8/1. This law treats frames the same as firearms moving forward (my interpretation). Therefore, since every firearm coming into the state needs to go through an FFL (no change), the frame will also need to be on the roster (change) since it’s being treated as a firearm. If it’s not on the roster, it’s not transferring in. For example, you can no longer transfer a Wilson frame into the state and then register it as a Wilson pistol with the state once you attach the slide. YMMV
But don’t confuse AWB with firearm sales and transfers. If you already own a Glock frame, you’re good to go - even if it was acquired after 8/1. This law treats frames the same as firearms moving forward (my interpretation). Therefore, since every firearm coming into the state needs to go through an FFL (no change), the frame will also need to be on the roster (change) since it’s being treated as a firearm. If it’s not on the roster, it’s not transferring in. For example, you can no longer transfer a Wilson frame into the state and then register it as a Wilson pistol with the state once you attach the slide. YMMV
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This may have already been answered but I just searched 20 pages and could find anything. The language in the bill didn't differentiate between lower and upper receivers. Are upper receivers still legal to purchase? I'm not asking about private sales.
Even if that were the case, that suddenly all frame transfers done since 8/1, are now retroactively illegal (which is not the case here), *that's a problem for the dealer*.
Not you.
Not that it's any of your business, but I'm an out of work war veteran that's been dealing with health issues and have been offered a federal job. What I'm worried about is something like this costing me my job.
Thanks to anyone else that answered constructively.
My post was constructive. You just don't realize it.
You are worrying about something you absolutely don't need to be worrying about, and it shouldn't even enter your mind to concern yourself with the state's tyranny. You're following federal law and the Constitution; the rest is just garbage.
Good luck in your new job!
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At the Mill tonight waiting for my son to get a transfer at Eddie Coyle’s shop we met a Nun looking to purchase a rifle and shotgun. She was in the full Nun habbit or whatever it is called. She expressed how she was not Ok with what Maura was doing. She said “i’ll probably never carry but i want the option. I said yes it’s your god given right!
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I really want you to be serious
peterk123
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A nun, a rabbi and a priest walk into a gun shop............
I wasn't there the day it happened, but during covid the other guys I worked with told me they had a couple nuns walk into the shop. One of them bought a 12G shotgun I think.
This was trapped in my head after that for a bit.....
View: https://youtu.be/euBA9C4i2zA?si=_fqk3wfKuG5-RTzj
f***ing c***!So much for selling those pre-ban mags before 10/23...
Healey expected to make gun reform law effective Wednesday
A spokesperson for Gov. Maura Healey said she will sign an emergency preamble for a law initially signed July 25, many provisions of which were set to take effect Oct. 23 without additional action.www.nepm.org
Rob Boudrie
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This has yet to be established
Since the frame is now legally the gun (same as Federal has been for eons), there may be no "building it into a Wilson" since it already is one. The concept of "reporting a gun you build" may no longer exist if what you have is already a gun. I expect since frames are now guns, the subjects will be required to enter them into the forthcoming registration system.
Alternatively, a frame could be a Schrödinger gun, that is a gun when it being so serves the states purpose, and not a gun when that serves the states purpose.
Since the AGs office will not answer questions about what is legal (the standard answer is "hire an attorney to answer your legal questions"), this one may remain ambiguous. If that is the case, it will fall on the dealers to make their own call as the law places the burden on the dealer, not the buyer.
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Yotacrawler
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Totally serious she said she also wanted to be able to hunt their land. Very nice lady. I really hope she found what she was searching for.
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If there is no FA-10 system under the new laws,.. and someone loses count with yearly private sales and ends up over 4,.. does anyone really hear that tree fall? - Asking for a friend,....
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Without an FA-10 system, how do you actually conduct a private sale? With a written bill of sale?
Maybe just a handshake? Asking for a friend…
pastera
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The current system will be expanded to include the new requirements.
Anyone thinking the state is going to purge the current info is sorely mistaken.
Check the portal - it's still active and will remain so.
Yotacrawler
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The Ma gun transaction portal is still up I figured it would be taken down or unavailable. I wonder if using that to generate a firearms license validation for the seller and buyer to make sure they are still GTG and a bill of sale would work?
pastera
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Yes, the law does differentiate between split receiver parts - the ATF receiver is the firearm.
EJFudd
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I know this will sound very strange to MA subjects . . . it was for me too originally when I moved to NH. But you eventually get used to being treated as a trusted citizen instead of a subject under the thumb of an overbearing gov't.
NH requires no paperwork. I prepare a simple bill of sale with gun, info on buyer and seller and each of us signs it. We each get a copy and the gov't gets nothing. Simple. Buying from a NH dealer as a resident, you merely get a receipt for the sale.
namedpipes
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There is a Resources section on this forum: https://www.northeastshooters.com/xen/resources/
Of course much of the scant information there is outdated, but it is a perfect place to put an "untainted and complete"** interpretation of the BS in this new law+memo BS. "BS" intentionally repeated for emphasis.
It would be Hurculean task and I'm sure as hell not volunteering even if I upderstood the BS in this new law+memo BS TO digest & interpret it. But I hope somebody does.
** The Resources area can't be commented in. Preserving sanctity of the info.
Of course much of the scant information there is outdated, but it is a perfect place to put an "untainted and complete"** interpretation of the BS in this new law+memo BS. "BS" intentionally repeated for emphasis.
It would be Hurculean task and I'm sure as hell not volunteering even if I upderstood the BS in this new law+memo BS TO digest & interpret it. But I hope somebody does.
** The Resources area can't be commented in. Preserving sanctity of the info.
There are two things in the new law that id look for if they apply to you:
1. If this is an 80, everything now needs a serial. Now that the law is in effect, you need to add a serial that’s state approved. That system doesn’t exist yet. It’ll need to be done and registered by whatever the effective date of those delayed sections are.
2. Frames are now firearms in MA so you need an LTC to possess. If you don’t have a LTC, get one. Before you only needed to pass a 4473, but I don’t know any dealers who were selling complete frames without checking LTCs.
Nothing?
Nothing.
Not quite. Build it up and shoot it.
Assuming "transferred" means "actual Glock, transferred by a dealer": In a year there (might be) a state registration database and Internet portal. The law says you must register it within a year after that.
As long as you have an LTC, there's nothing restricting you from owning that frame, or a full gun when you put it together. All the laws you're worrying about don't apply to you. They apply to dealers.
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namedpipes
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Agree
