Practical Implications of H4885 for Purchasing and Possessing

zevana said:
With the law going into effect, does that mean lowers would now need to be registers with an efa10 as they are considered firearms?
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That is not what the law says.
Post #1 has a summary.

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Now, what about all the cool stuff I now own that I need to be grandfathered. Do I register my lowers? What do I need to do? The short answer is NOTHING. The law says you need to lawfully possess on 8/1. It also says it must be registered in accordance with 121B and serialized in accordance with 121C.

121B is the NEW state wide database where every gun in the state must be registered. The state has one year to implement. Once implemented every transaction must be validated in the system and the gun registered to the new owner and unregistered from the old owner. Everyone will have another year to register everything they currently own. You will need to register what you have before you can transact it to sell if you sell before the one year and have not yet registered it. This is 121B.

You cannot register anything today to satisfy this requirement. Today we have a database of transactions, not a database of registered guns and owners. YOU DO NOT NEED TO “REGISTER” BEFORE 8/2 to be in compliance with the new law or prove anything. The fact that you recorded a transaction in the current system PROVES nothing.
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So with the new language about prohibited places now in force, which include a storage allowance, is it the consensus that a gun locked in the glovebox is lawful when picking the kids up from school, given that it could be posited that "government buildings" include schools?

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I've been out of the game for a while, so apologize for the stupid question here:

What is the deal with AR Uppers, currently? Any reason they can't be just mail ordered like the old days, post this new law?
 
Mrbiron said:
So, if the once registered fixed mag pistol now has a removable mag, how is it now not in SBR territory? Just because it has a brace?
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As long as it was not originally built into a rifle, then a pistol with a brace is a pistol.

And to be VERY clear, it has never been registered. You might have gone onto MIRCS and done a FA10 claiming that you "purchased or obtained" it from other than a MA dealer, LTC holder of FID holder. But even if the state labelled that option "register", you did no such thing. Until they implement section 121B under the new law, MA has no such thing as registration no matter what the state website says or what words people choose to use. People are in for a very rude awaking once they realize what ACTUAL registration is (felony to possess something the state does not know about)
 
CrackPot said:
As long as it was not originally built into a rifle, then a pistol with a brace is a pistol.

And to be VERY clear, it has never been registered. You might have gone onto MIRCS and done a FA10 claiming that you "purchased or obtained" it from other than a MA dealer, LTC holder of FID holder. But even if the state labelled that option "register", you did no such thing. Until they implement section 121B under the new law, MA has no such thing as registration no matter what the state website says or what words people choose to use. People are in for a very rude awaking once they realize what ACTUAL registration is (felony to possess something the state does not know about)
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+1000.

The fun thing is people are all going full gladys kravitz over something nearly unenforceable (the 8/1 malthusian drill, dick self punching thing) while not comprehending that the mandated registration is the real "chip shot time bomb" here. If it doesn't get killed by courts before the phase in period expires, the end product will literally be the worst part of the new laws. A nipplehead, retarded, total "moron mc shitcop "could get a conviction on "failure to register " as all he has to do after cutoff is run the serial and get a failure. And the 2 yrs or whatever will be here before we know it. That and the plight of the FID holders are the two most dangerous parts of the bill. (A bunch of fudds won't know they're felons until their shitty wife files a 209A on them) etc.
 
CatSnoutSoup said:
So with the new language about prohibited places now in force, which include a storage allowance, is it the consensus that a gun locked in the glovebox is lawful when picking the kids up from school, given that it could be posited that "government buildings" include schools?

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Even under the old law it was legal to have your firearm securely stored in your vehicle on school property. The old c. 269 s. 10 only prohibited the carrying of firearms, not the possession.

Whoever, not being a law enforcement officer and notwithstanding any license obtained by the person pursuant to chapter 140, carries on the person a firearm, loaded or unloaded, or other dangerous weapon in any building or on the grounds of any elementary or secondary school, college or university without the written authorization of the board or officer in charge of the elementary or secondary school, college or university shall be punished by a fine of not more than $1,000 or by imprisonment for not more than 2 years or both
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CrackPot said:
As long as it was not originally built into a rifle, then a pistol with a brace is a pistol.

And to be VERY clear, it has never been registered. You might have gone onto MIRCS and done a FA10 claiming that you "purchased or obtained" it from other than a MA dealer, LTC holder of FID holder. But even if the state labelled that option "register", you did no such thing. Until they implement section 121B under the new law, MA has no such thing as registration no matter what the state website says or what words people choose to use. People are in for a very rude awaking once they realize what ACTUAL registration is (felony to possess something the state does not know about)
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If that’s the case.

If a stripped lower was bought, built and fa-10’d as a rifle and that system meant very little and means nothing now. Can that same lower be used to make pistol?

I have feeling the answer is no….but I had to ask.
 
WJ406 said:
Even under the old law it was legal to have your firearm securely stored in your vehicle on school property. The old c. 269 s. 10 only prohibited the carrying of firearms, not the possession.
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It is worthwhile to remember that the parking lot is school property so you better put it in there BEFORE you turn into the parking lot.
 
YZhou4 said:
“Airsoft” China clones of the now discontinued Glock Flux (i’m calling it the “FRUX”) are now available that apparently work just fine with real Glocks. I’m just going to leave the front grip/mag holder off and avoid that issue since it’s a 2 piece system.
View: https://youtu.be/pxHoA82OYMY?si=WlvihuXXZzoF7b4a
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I like the recover tactical 20/20 it’s a good alternative.
 
HorizontalHunter said:
It is worthwhile to remember that the parking lot is school property so you better put it in there BEFORE you turn into the parking lot.
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canadian what GIF by CBC
 
Jeffaah said:
If that’s the case.

If a stripped lower was bought, built and fa-10’d as a rifle and that system meant very little and means nothing now. Can that same lower be used to make pistol?

I have feeling the answer is no….but I had to ask.
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No. Read the post above you!

Seriously… WTF?

This is a fed thing.
 
Jeffaah said:
I know. I know. I felt stupid trying it. But there is just so much info floating around I thought it was worth a shot.

Hell….i can unf*** my fixed mag pistol now….so i was hoping.
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No problems bro. Use that lower for an SBR if you don’t want a full length rifle build.
 
Adding this here for good measure.


Regarding FID owners and semi auto guns already possessed.

SECTION 153. A valid license to carry a firearm issued under sections 131 or 131F of chapter 140 of the General Laws, a valid firearm identification card under section 129B of said chapter 140 or a valid license to sell under section 122 of said chapter 140, shall remain valid until the expiration, suspension or revocation of said license and shall entitle the holder to possess the firearms authorized by the license at the time it was last issued or renewed.
 
DJBrad said:
Adding this here for good measure.


Regarding FID owners and semi auto guns already possessed.

SECTION 153. A valid license to carry a firearm issued under sections 131 or 131F of chapter 140 of the General Laws, a valid firearm identification card under section 129B of said chapter 140 or a valid license to sell under section 122 of said chapter 140, shall remain valid until the expiration, suspension or revocation of said license and shall entitle the holder to possess the firearms authorized by the license at the time it was last issued or renewed.
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So strictly speaking somebody with an FID isn’t /entirely/ screwed if they can upgrade out of it at renewal. This is kind of a big deal, many people had thought that FID holders were going to become defacto felons on day 1.
 
drgrant said:
So strictly speaking somebody with an FID isn’t /entirely/ screwed if they can upgrade out of it at renewal. This is kind of a big deal, many people had thought that FID holders were going to become defacto felons on day 1.
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I think we all did.


It is still an issue for those with PP status who cannot apply for an LTC but maybe a very small sample went for the LTC app before 10/3 after having discovered section 153.
 
DJBrad said:
I think we all did.


It is still an issue for those with PP status who cannot apply for an LTC but maybe a very small sample went for the LTC app before 10/3 after having discovered section 153.
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What do you mean by "PP status"? If you're a PP, you can't touch any gun or ammunition, at all.
 
CrackPot said:
As long as it was not originally built into a rifle by an FFL07 manufacturer, then a pistol with a brace is a pistol.

And to be VERY clear, it has never been registered. You might have gone onto MIRCS and done a FA10 claiming that you "purchased or obtained" it from other than a MA dealer, LTC holder of FID holder. But even if the state labelled that option "register", you did no such thing. Until they implement section 121B under the new law, MA has no such thing as registration no matter what the state website says or what words people choose to use. People are in for a very rude awaking once they realize what ACTUAL registration is (felony to possess something the state does not know about)
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(Red added by me)
If I understand correctly, anything that came from the manufacturer as a pistol or an "other" can always, forever, be either at the whim of the owner. Only stuff that a federally licensed FFL07 manufacturer delivered to a distributor as a rifle is limited to only being a rifle (or SBR)

Why would the new 121B registration lock a lower into being a rifle?
There's nothing in Mass. law that says you can't convert a rifle to a pistol, only the feds care about that.
 
WJ406 said:
Even under the old law it was legal to have your firearm securely stored in your vehicle on school property. The old c. 269 s. 10 only prohibited the carrying of firearms, not the possession.
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Yes, I am aware of the language and that had been discussed a number of times. It was not explicitly illegal, but no one wanted to be the test case because this is MA where trying to defend against something that is not illegal but your jammed up on anyway can wreck you.
But now it would appear that storage on the property is codified.

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milktree said:
What do you mean by "PP status"? If you're a PP, you can't touch any gun or ammunition, at all.
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Theres the FRB LTC restorations? (Unless those have all been revoked?) but I don't think it is appropriate to wander into that into this mess in thread because the new law materially doesn't affect any of that stuff.
 

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