Practical Implications of H4885 for Purchasing and Possessing

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Massachusetts Legislature Suspends New Training Requirements

In a likely response to GOAL’s federal lawsuit, the Massachusetts legislature has suspended the new training requirements in Chapter 135.



In yet another secret maneuver, the legislature hid an amendment in a budget bill. The bill was signed into law on September 16, 2024. Section 51 of the bill (Chapter 206 of the Acts of 2024). It essentially suspends all new training requirements for those seeking a firearms license as well as training for law enforcement and retailers. (see below)

Training Requirements Suspended

www.goal.org

 

[pastera]

Training Requirements Suspended

www.goal.org

SECTION 51. Said chapter 135 is hereby further amended by striking out section 159 and inserting in place thereof the following section:-
SECTION 159. Sections 38 and 74 shall take effect 18 months after the effective date of this act.

From 4885

SECTION 159. Sections 38 and 75 shall take effect 18 months after the effective date of this act.

They didn't get rid of the training requirement, they fixed an error in calling out the wrong section when delaying implementation in order to allow time for development of systems or packages

 

[DJBrad]

From 4885

They didn't get rid of the training requirement, they fixed an error in calling out the wrong section when delaying implementation in order to allow time for development of systems or packages

We need a new sub forum in Ma law called…

“Pastera’s Legal Beatdowns”

 

[pastera]

We need a new sub forum in Ma law called…

“Pastera’s Legal Beatdowns”

I would love it if GOAL had actually been correct. They have put out a few "almost correct" statements that could cause people problems.
We already have a huge number of people confused about what's going on so we don't need further confusion

 

[Nightshift]

We already have a huge number of people confused about what's going on so we don't need further confusion

That ship sailed long ago

 

[Chappy7]

I would love it if GOAL had actually been correct. They have put out a few "almost correct" statements that could cause people problems.
We already have a huge number of people confused about what's going on so we don't need further confusion

Confused? More like FUBAR.

 

[drgrant]

I’m still not sure how this law affects any handgun which is attached to a brace system like the flux or rt after 10/23 since a handgun (soon to be a firearm) is not an ASF in its current state. The handgun is a firearm and not an ASF but turning it into an ASF after 10/23 seems more complicated to me than just building up an AR pistol from a reciever or MP5 clone pistol owned on 8/1. Maybe I’m a little retarded tnite.

I'm getting to the point where I start getting nauseous even trying to parse this stuff anymore.

I'm not quite sure it's worth caring about. We're getting into "If it weren't for my horse, i wouldn't have spent that year in college" territory.

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Can i just write PREBAN on the side of some magazines too?

I would love it if GOAL had actually been correct. They have put out a few "almost correct" statements that could cause people problems.
We already have a huge number of people confused about what's going on so we don't need further confusion

Nevermind confusion.... a shit ton of randos still barely understand what 4885 does WRT the laws.

 

[Saburke17]

So after reading 200 posts on this i'm even more confused and now my eyes are bleeding from staring at this screen. If you already own an upper, The only way to be able to use it is buy a complete preban(94) and then slap your upper on it?
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[Mesatchornug]

So after reading 200 posts on this i'm even more confused and now my eyes are bleeding from staring at this screen. If you already own an upper, The only way to be able to use it is buy a complete preban(2014) and then slap your upper on it?

If you have an upper, you'll need a lower. That lower would need to have been legally in MA on 8/1/24.

...or something about free men.

 

[Lxpony]

So after reading 200 posts on this i'm even more confused and now my eyes are bleeding from staring at this screen. If you already own an upper, The only way to be able to use it is buy a complete preban(2014) and then slap your upper on it?

2014 preban?????

 

[chris_1001]

2014 preban?????

1994, 2014, 2016, 2024

So close.

 

[EMTDAD]

got this from our friendly Mass State Police today...

 

[CrazyUncleHarry]

Looks like @CrackPot was 100% correct on them NOT using the current portal to meet the Regsitration requirement:

7. Will I need to register all my firearms?a. Yes. However, you will not be required to register your firearms into the newregistration system until 10/23/2026. The Commonwealth is working on buildingthe registration system and will provide additional guidance at a later date on howto register firearms.

 

[Rockrivr1]

Looks like @CrackPot was 100% correct on them NOT using the current portal to meet the Regsitration requirement:

7. Will I need to register all my firearms?a. Yes. However, you will not be required to register your firearms into the newregistration system until 10/23/2026. The Commonwealth is working on buildingthe registration system and will provide additional guidance at a later date on howto register firearms.

Then the question becomes whether people follow the order and register their guns or they follow what CT owners did and ignored it.

 

[CrazyUncleHarry]

Then the question becomes whether people follow the order and register their guns or they follow what CT owners did and ignored it.

Certainly hope we have a definitive answer from SCOTUS by Oct 2026. If we don't, folks are more likely to be caching ASF's than registering them.....

 

[Hope and Justice]

So much for selling those pre-ban mags before 10/23...

Healey expected to make gun reform law effective Wednesday

A spokesperson for Gov. Maura Healey said she will sign an emergency preamble for a law initially signed July 25, many provisions of which were set to take effect Oct. 23 without additional action.

www.nepm.org

 

[milktree]

got this from our friendly Mass State Police today...

The bits about people who apply for their LTC after 8/1/24 needing to get new safety certs when they renew in six years is surely wrong.

That interpretation only makes sense if you completely ignore this clause from the new §131P: (emphasis mine)

...provided, however, that persons possessing a firearms identification card or license to carry firearms prior to the
implementation of live firearms trainings as required in this section shall also be exempt from such requirement.

 

[zevana]

With the law going into effect, does that mean lowers would now need to be registers with an efa10 as they are considered firearms?

 

[Mesatchornug]

With the law going into effect, does that mean lowers would now need to be registers with an efa10 as they are considered firearms?

Surely not. Because eFA10 doesn't exist in the new law.

 

[Rockrivr1]

Surely not. Because eFA10 doesn't exist in the new law.

I'm buying a rifle this weekend from a fellow NESr and now I'm wondering with the new law going into affect today, do we still do an EFA-10? It's a bolt action so nothing that would be considered an AW

 

[440Sixpack]

Then the question becomes whether people follow the order and register their guns or they follow what CT owners did and ignored it.

And this will be an interesting scenario with the presence of the EFA-10 database that the other states didn't have as a potential "gotcha" if you opt not to use the new registration... (and yes, I know the "there's multiple ways you could have disposed of a gun between now and then" thing)

 

[Mesatchornug]

I'm buying a rifle this weekend from a fellow NESr and now I'm wondering with the new law going into affect today, do we still do an EFA-10? It's a bolt action so nothing that would be considered an AW

You get to make the right choice for you

Per the new law, there is no eFA‐10

Per EOPSS's guidance, sellers needn't comply with the new law

Per @GOALJim, we should do what we must to keep ourselves and our families safe.

Per the @GOAL VP and Podcast cohost, compliance is optional

Per MLK Jr., "an unjust law is no law at all."

 

[chris_1001]

You get to make the right choice for you

Per the new law, there is no eFA‐10

Per EOPSS's guidance, sellers needn't comply with the new law

Just quoting, not asking @Mesatchornug specificaly

So if I do not need to FA-10 a gun, how do I sell it? Say I sell a G19 frame that was never built into a gun to a LTC holder... what is the process tomorrow? Legit question.

I talked o a dealer yesterday that said no private sales after the law is enacted, but that cant be true... Right?

 

[Chappy7]

And this will be an interesting scenario with the presence of the EFA-10 database that the other states didn't have as a potential "gotcha" if you opt not to use the new registration... (and yes, I know the "there's multiple ways you could have disposed of a gun between now and then" thing)

The "EFA-10 database" only recorded sales...... If you purchased a firearm and an EFA-10 was completed, then you sold that same firearm it was still on your list. Not much of a registry system, but then again after all of the fvck ups by the MA Gov's various entities who knows...

 

[Mesatchornug]

Just quoting, not asking @Mesatchornug specificaly

So if I do not need to FA-10 a gun, how do I sell it? Say I sell a G19 frame that was never built into a gun to a LTC holder... what is the process tomorrow? Legit question.

I talked o a dealer yesterday that said no private sales after the law is enacted, but that cant be true... Right?

My understanding, which remains worth what you paid for it, is that you would register it in two years, in the new system.

 

[Mesatchornug]

Just quoting, not asking @Mesatchornug specificaly

So if I do not need to FA-10 a gun, how do I sell it? Say I sell a G19 frame that was never built into a gun to a LTC holder... what is the process tomorrow? Legit question.

I talked o a dealer yesterday that said no private sales after the law is enacted, but that cant be true... Right?

Also, the law specifically permits 4 private sales per year.

 

[tobiasf]

If I had a Glock frame transferred after August 1st while this law was in limbo, what does that mean now? Doesn't the law retroactively make that illegal? What do I do now?

 

[VitalDude]

If I had a Glock frame transferred after August 1st while this law was in limbo, what does that mean now? Doesn't the law retroactively make that illegal? What do I do now?

Where does it say Glocks are illegal to possess?

 

[tobiasf]

Where does it say Glocks are illegal to possess?

I thought I heard that the bill changes the definition of a firearm to include handgun frames so that frame transfers are no longer possible. I'm wondering what that means if some of the effective date language in the bill is retroactively August 1st and I got a frame transfer after that because some FFLs were still doing them.

 

[Picton]

I thought I heard that the bill changes the definition of a firearm to include handgun frames so that frame transfers are no longer possible. I'm wondering what that means if some of the effective date language in the bill is retroactively August 1st and I got a frame transfer after that because some FFLs were still doing them.

Oh my god.

What on earth are you worried about? Someone actually coming and confiscating your Glock frame?

Unbelievable...