I thought the same. LOL.That is so wrong I need to do it
Serializing a 2x4 as I type.
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I thought the same. LOL.That is so wrong I need to do it
Lawfully possessed has not been adjudicatedWhat does “lawfully possessed” mean in the current law that references pre 94? Hint: it means the same thing now, must be licensed.
I don’t know why people are still hung up on this. Prehealey doesn’t mean anything.
Also people should just put Broc on ignore. It does wonders for your NES viewing.
Prior to this bill, nobody questioned the meaning of lawfully possessed. Not even when they paid $1500 for a preban.Lawfully possessed has not been adjudicated
So it has whatever meaning the state would like to give it until a court says otherwise.
I suggest not doing this...
Please DM me which one of my posts hurt your feelings.
Moving on...
What’s old is new again.
I remember as a young FID holder buying ammunition for my .22 and having it logged in a paper log. It was a joke, and accomplished nothing.
No, there was an assumption of lawfullness for post 94 if one neutered the enumerated features but I'm not aware of a controlling case that blessed "compliant" guns.Prior to this bill, nobody questioned the meaning of lawfully possessed. Not even when they paid $1500 for a preban.
Even if you accept the 7/20/16 language in every possible negative or positive way, it does not matter. All the items in question fail the feature test. Its Creem's language and I am sure she fought hard to keep it in the final bill, otherwise she would have had to remove her tongue from Healey's ass. Everyone else realized it was irrelevant and said "sure". My best guess. Its pointless language.I responded asking for a clarification on lowers purchased pre-7/20 and built post 7/20. Just waiting on the reply.
Updated:
The AGs office is really unclear on what I meant by 7/20/16. Glad to know our politicians write laws that the AGs office doesn’t even know what it means. They said ask a lawyer….
If I had to guess, the 7/20 language is probably going to end up being to dam confusing for the state and they will likely just go by 8/1.
It does not. Lawfully possessed means that someone, somewhere, anywhere, in the US, possessed the object lawfully. That is why right now we can bring into the state preban rifles and lowers and magazines that have never otherwise been in the state.What does “lawfully possessed” mean in the current law that references pre 94? Hint: it means the same thing now, must be licensed.
I don’t know why people are still hung up on this. Prehealey doesn’t mean anything.
Also people should just put Broc on ignore. It does wonders for your NES viewing.
Please DM me which one of my posts hurt your feelings.
Moving on...
I suggest not doing this...
Sure. Sorry I have little patience for your BFYou've obviously never met him IRL
He's as much a character in person as online - if you can't take good humored ribbing then NES may not be for you
Correct. I am still ordering and selling Beretta A300 Ultima Patrols with 5 round tubes.I think I'm reading the ASW rules on the semi-shotguns right. A semi-shotgun with a 5 round tube and no pistol grip isn't an ASW. So technically doesn't have to be owned by a FFL or person and in state on 8/1 right? But these are still a buy it now because they might end up on a roster of what stores can sell once the rosters are created post 10/23.
A featureless semiautomatic shotgun is fine to possess post 10/23I think I'm reading the ASW rules on the semi-shotguns right. A semi-shotgun with a 5 round tube and no pistol grip isn't an ASW. So technically doesn't have to be owned by a FFL or person and in state on 8/1 right? But these are still a buy it now because they might end up on a roster of what stores can sell once the rosters are created post 10/23.
Are you even old enough to shave?Sure. Sorry I have little patience for your BF
We spot welded the stock and it takes 10 seconds with a grinder to remove it and another 10 seconds to reblue. We pinned and welded surefire socom brakes because a lot of customers like the surefire warden. We replace the 30rd mag with a 10rd mag. But same series of logic and future thinking.What I find interesting in this debacle is that Cape Cod Gun Works just sold a couple hundred Sig Spears in a week or so. With that sale they took the rifles and pinned the stock so it's no longer a folder and they changed out the flash hiders with a YHM MA Compliant Brake. If I'm reading this thread right on 10/23 Cape Cod Gunworks can start doing gunsmith work to unpin those stocks and put the flash hiders back on. Seems like a new line of profit for the gun store.
Lets focus on discussing possession and purchasing under the new law and take Broc bashing to any of the other 10,000 threads he has posted in please. We already have a dumpster fire thread on H4885 that this thread was created to avoid.Also people should just put Broc on ignore. It does wonders for your NES viewing.
I think I'm reading theASWASF rules on the semi-shotguns right. A semi-shotgun with a 5 round tube and no pistol grip isn't anASWASF. So technically doesn't have to be owned by a FFL or person and in state on 8/1 right? But these are still a buy it now because they might end up on a roster of what stores can sell once the rosters are created post 10/23.
That is why right now we can bring into the state preban rifles and lowers and magazines that have never otherwise been in the state.
Was signed earlier therefore we were warnedHow so? Is it because the new law is not in force so claims of ex post facto are to be ignored by setting a past date as a cutoff?
131M states no LTC holder or Dealer can transfer “into the commonwealth” after 8/1/24.
Under todays law, we can bring the stuff in. It is not grandfathered if not here on 8/1 under the new law once it takes effect. I was just making the point that the current law allows us to import prebans and they ARE prebans contrary to the previous poster saying they need to be lawfully possessed by a licensed person.How so? Is it because the new law is not in force so claims of ex post facto are to be ignored by setting a past date as a cutoff?
131M states no LTC holder or Dealer can transfer “into the commonwealth” after 8/1/24.
Keep in mind the effective date of this section. It’s not 10/23 (my read is that “untraceable firearms” aren’t an issue until a year after the system is live):@Broc Tuah
@pastera is correct wrt post 10/22 80s or 76s or 0s.
Here’s the language on untraceable firearms.
Section 121C.
(a) All firearms shall have a serial number in accordance with the requirements of this section. To meet serialization requirements all firearms shall be conspicuously engraved, cast or otherwise permanently embedded with a unique serial number on the frame or receiver; provided, that the serial number shall be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed and shall be engraved, cast or otherwise permanently embedded to a depth of not less than .003 inches and in a print size not less than 1/16 inch; provided further, that the serialization of firearms, frames and receivers made from non-metallic materials shall be accomplished by using a metal plate permanently embedded in the material of the frame or receiver
(b)
No person shall knowingly possess, manufacture or assemble, cause to be manufactured or assembled, purchase, offer for sale, sell or otherwise transfer or import an untraceable firearm in the commonwealth; provided, however, that lawfully owned firearms imported or acquired by: (i) new residents moving into the commonwealth or acquired by heirs or devisees through distribution of an estate shall be serialized within 60 days of import or acquisition; and (ii) licensed firearms dealers, gunsmiths, distributors or manufacturers shall be serialized within 7 days of import or acquisition.
(c)
No person shall manufacture or assemble a privately made firearm without: (i) obtaining a unique serial number from the department of criminal justice information services prior to manufacture or assembly; (ii) serializing the firearm with the obtained serial number during manufacture or assembly; and (iii) registering the firearm with the department of criminal justice information services in accordance with section 121B within 7 days of the firearm’s manufacture or assembly.
And the felonious portion of Chapter 269 Section 11C
Whoever, by themself or with another, knowingly manufactures, assembles, imports, sells or transfers ownership of an untraceable firearm, or knowingly participates in the manufacture, assembly, import, sale or transfer of an untraceable firearm or purchases or receives a firearm with knowledge that it is untraceable, shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than 12 months and not more than 2½ years. Possession or control of a firearm that is untraceable shall be prima facie evidence that the person having such possession or control is guilty of a violation of this section; but such prima facie evidence may be rebutted by evidence that such person had no knowledge that the firearm was untraceable, or by evidence that they had no guilty knowledge thereof. Upon a conviction of a violation of this section said firearm shall be forwarded, by the authority of the written order of the court, to the colonel of the state police, who shall cause said firearm or to be destroyed.
SECTION 158. The department of criminal justice information services shall establish the serial number request system established pursuant to section 121C of chapter 140 of the General Laws, as inserted by section 32, not later than 1 year after the effective date of this act; provided, that all firearms shall be serialized in accordance with this act and not later than 1 year after said serial number request system is completed and publicly available.
For members of GOAL, this forum, etc, I agree. For the general gun owner who saw some law about ghost guns and red flag orders… I would assume there are a lot of people who don’t know this. No notification has been sent from the state. It’s like lifetime FIDs.Technically they DID setup a taking as someone can lawfully possess on 8/2 an AR that on 10/23 becomes illegal. It is not a strong case because they KNEW when they bought it that it would be illegal on 10/23.
It might be possible to find a good plaintiff for this, you are right. I still think it is way down on the list of interesting lawsuits.For members of GOAL, this forum, etc, I agree. For the general gun owner who saw some law about ghost guns and red flag orders… I would assume there are a lot of people who don’t know this. No notification has been sent from the state. It’s like lifetime FIDs.
Good point.Keep in mind the effective date of this section. It’s not 10/23 (my read is that “untraceable firearms” aren’t an issue until a year after the system is live):
CorrectKeep in mind the effective date of this section. It’s not 10/23 (my read is that “untraceable firearms” aren’t an issue until a year after the system is live):