Seeking licensing delay information

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We at Comm2A need to gather data and potential plaintiffs to start the legal wheels turning against town/city police departments and state agencies that engage in illegal FID/LTC application/renewal delay tactics.

Kindly use this Google form link below to complete a Comm2A survey to help us gather data to identify infringing cities and towns to be held to accountable and recognize those cities and towns doing it right:

LTC / FID Timelines
 
Hey all, we can really use your help to get this information. It does ask for your email address, but we won't reach out unless you say you are okay with being contacted.

We need a good sampling of data to be able to get our hands around where to focus our efforts in taking down these unconstitutional patterns and practices of department that infringe on our rights.
 
Is it really going to help
Biggest I see is license renewal
Started 9/11
Town did there thing early Oct. I delayed cause I was out of state when they wanted me to come in earlier
They indicated expect Feb March from the state for lic and pin. Wtf
 
I tried to get your help with this about a year or two ago and it was go pound sand then. What has changed
I wouldn’t put much stock in these jokers
You guys are something else. 😂.
 
One issue is getting towns to understand the application date is the date the applicant enters it into MIRCS using the new self service system. Many still believe "it's not accepted until we cay it's accepted". One possibility (possibility, I emphasize) is to file a denial appeal as no action in 4- days is considered a denial.

In fact, if you apply and are stalled for 131 days you have (a) have been legally denied at 40 days and (b) Have not appealed the denial within the 90 day window.
 
I tried to get your help with this about a year or two ago and it was go pound sand then. What has changed
I wouldn’t put much stock in these jokers
You guys are something else. 😂.
We had significant turnover in volunteers (losing our president and treasurer) which put a cramp on things. Comm2a never represented it would be able to assist in all individual cases, without out goal being to improve the system via precedent setting cases. And notably, Comm2A does not pay its officers anything - feel free to check out the Form 990 at guidestar.org.

So I guess reversing the ban on MJ convicts from getting an LTC and enabling lawfully resident permanent resident aliens to get LTCs makes us jokers becuase we did not help one particular individual.
 
Just to be clear, is this purely a MA questionnaire? MA has actually been good to me as a non-res ... expensive, but fast. My home state of RI seems to be full of CLEOs who forgot that they took an oath to enforce the statutes.
 
Just to be clear, is this purely a MA questionnaire? MA has actually been good to me as a non-res ... expensive, but fast. My home state of RI seems to be full of CLEOs who forgot that they took an oath to enforce the statutes.
Mass resident focused, although non-resident data is good to capture too, so feel free to add to the list. This is for all LTC/FID applications in the Commonwealth.
 
Just to be clear, is this purely a MA questionnaire? MA has actually been good to me as a non-res ... expensive, but fast. My home state of RI seems to be full of CLEOs who forgot that they took an oath to enforce the statutes.
That's odd, people here tal;k all the time about non-res renewals 6-9 months ahead of expiration.
 
Just to be clear, is this purely a MA questionnaire? MA has actually been good to me as a non-res ... expensive, but fast. My home state of RI seems to be full of CLEOs who forgot that they took an oath to enforce the statutes.
It depends on what one means by "pretty good". MA non-rsident processing is professional and without extra crap, however, delays to get an appointment after one applies online generally exceed the 40 day limit.
 
It depends on what one means by "pretty good". MA non-rsident processing is professional and without extra crap, however, delays to get an appointment after one applies online generally exceed the 40 day limit.
Indeed. It was more the four months between the time they cashed the check, and receiving an email about appointment...which itself was 3 months away. Last renewal...which all portal and mail was slightly over 2 months
 
Should, could whatever action you're looking at, also include PDs that add there own requirements.
 
Should, could whatever action you're looking at, also include PDs that add there own requirements.
It is on there. One of the last couple questions.

"Did your city or town have any special requirements in addition to the standard, state approved form?"

The State says the online form is the only form.
 
That's odd, people here tal;k all the time about non-res renewals 6-9 months ahead of expiration.
Yep ... that's what I've heard so I always send mine in about 7 months early ... then it shows up in 6-8 weeks and sits on my desk with a note to remind me to swap it out on March 1st. The one I am looking at as I type this has been there for at least 8 weeks already. I don't really remember how long I waited for my appointment but I know I didn't apply until sometime in September at the earliest (we moved up here mid August and I had to arrange for a class) and I remember getting a phone call invitation to go somewhere for Thanksgiving while I was waiting in the lobby. So that would have been some time in late October.

When I say it was good, it is not in the comparison to the permit I got while living in NC, but rather in comparison to the more recent blatantly illegal hostility I have encountered from the CLEO here in RI ... even to get a renewal..
 
People bitch and bitch and bitch...now that an org is trying to get enough data to do something crickets......
Wish I could help but I have no issues with my towns process or timeline, they don't play games and support our rights.

Does the law still state that the licensing authority has 40 days from the date an application is submitted to approve or deny the application for an FID or LTC?
 
@Comm2A

Just a thought and it would require @Admin ‘s approval as well;

There’s thousands of NES members but only a small percentage of that are regulars that may see your request.

How about sending out a one-time mass email to the entire NES member list (those that have provided an email address upon registering here) with your included request and link to join in this venture.

Personally I had a renewal get denied in Framingham and no one bothered to tell me until I called them like 6-7 months later after applying and asking wtf is taking so long.

This was also after 18 years of active LE, but that was 2015, I got an attorney who squared me away in about 2 weeks, happy to share details with you via PM if needed but it’s probably way past any expiration date of caring on that one. I no longer live in MA.
 
@Comm2A

Just a thought and it would require @Admin ‘s approval as well;

There’s thousands of NES members but only a small percentage of that are regulars that may see your request.

How about sending out a one-time mass email to the entire NES member list (those that have provided an email address upon registering here) with your included request and link to join in this venture.

Personally I had a renewal get denied in Framingham and no one bothered to tell me until I called them like 6-7 months later after applying and asking wtf is taking so long.

This was also after 18 years of active LE, but that was 2015, I got an attorney who squared me away in about 2 weeks, happy to share details with you via PM if needed but it’s probably way past any expiration date of caring on that one. I no longer live in MA.
Would that be Lt Wareham, the LO who was also Prohibited Person?
 
People bitch and bitch and bitch...now that an org is trying to get enough data to do something crickets......
Wish I could help but I have no issues with my towns process or timeline, they don't play games and support our rights.

Does the law still state that the licensing authority has 40 days from the date an application is submitted to approve or deny the application for an FID or LTC?
Honestly, this is just as important. We need to take the good with the bad so we can recognize departments that are doing things correctly and also use that against towns that don't.
 
People bitch and bitch and bitch...now that an org is trying to get enough data to do something crickets......
Wish I could help but I have no issues with my towns process or timeline, they don't play games and support our rights.

Does the law still state that the licensing authority has 40 days from the date an application is submitted to approve or deny the application for an FID or LTC?
Cause they are two years late. People have lost hope is these groups
 
Honestly, this is just as important. We need to take the good with the bad so we can recognize departments that are doing things correctly and also use that against towns that don't.
Thanks for the help two years ago. Would have been thru with this by now if you just started or helped when asked 2 years ago.
 
Thanks for the help two years ago. Would have been thru with this by now if you just started or helped when asked 2 years ago.
2 years ago, there was not an online portal system.
2 years ago, there was still a process to follow, starting with local government, to show that you exhausted all administrative remedies before resorting to legal action.
2 years ago, this was all explained to you, and your friend. You didn't like the process we needed to follow.
2 years ago, this Chapter 135 situation didn't exist yet.
The current Boston Delay Case (White v Cox) was started almost 2 years ago, and filed in August of 2023. Of course, this isn't good enough for you.

Can you prove with 100% certainty that if we had dropped everything and filed a legal case against Framingham 2 years ago, that it would have magically resolved all delays across the state?

Legal things take time. I am sorry that you can't understand that.
 


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