ShotShow 2024

[chris_1001]

f*** MY LIFE?

Full metal lined.

 

[T-Unit]

30 super is DOA because federal is terrible at new caliber introductions.

As long as someone other than S&W makes a .30 Super, it has a chance, but if the only pistol it's available and affordable in is the EZ Shield, it's fukked.

 

[T-Unit]

30 super is DOA because it is pointless.

The market has decided that capacity is not pointless. If they're willing to do 5.7, an otherwise terrible choice for self defense in a pistol, it should have no issues with .30 Super, especially when it costs less.

 

[M1911]

The market has decided that capacity is not pointless. If they're willing to do 5.7, an otherwise terrible choice for self defense in a pistol, it should have no issues with .30 Super, especially when it costs less.

And just how big is the 5.7 market? I'd argue that it is tiny, just like 327 Magnum.

 

[T-Unit]

Polymer 1911 Glock mags.

Square notch FML.

If they made a poly 1911 mag it's probably only be able to hold .30 Super, maybe 9mm at best.

So, I guess Glock is the one doing the. 30 Super at Shot... in a Glockteen 11...

 

[T-Unit]

And just how big is the 5.7 market? I'd argue that it is tiny, just like 327 Magnum.

It's bigger than the 10mm market currently is, unfortunately, and growing. Every year there's a new 5.7 that comes out, every year more people buy a 5.7 and their main reason why is capacity and recoil.

 

[Tartakovsky]

Full metal lined.

T'was a joke

 

[GunGuy2014]

For those interested in Holosun - Rifle light with proprietary tail cap and switch is a killer, however I’m sure Arisaka will have an adapter for it in no time

 

[DarthRevan]

Holosun Rifle Light - propriety tail cap and switch is a killer, however I’m sure Arisaka will have an adapter for it in no time View attachment 840153

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Neat

I’ll buy another SF

 

[Ron Jablonski]

But seriously, they put a 1911 mag in a G48. For their next trick, a G19 trigger in a 1911!

I think the best part of that video was Mac trying to convince the viewer that he likes that creepy, rubber-band trigger...

also,

I just watched the video. You're right, watching Mac dry fire that thing was painful. I also noticed he said 1911 "in nature" magazines. The mags are proprietary, if you want to use your own 9mm 1911 mags they will need to be modified for reliability. Nothing about this gun makes any sense to me. The only way this would interest me is if it were da/sa with an amazing trigger out the box and took factory 9mm 1911 mags.

 

[Ron Jablonski]

Holosun Rifle Light - propriety tail cap and switch is a killer, however I’m sure Arisaka will have an adapter for it in no time View attachment 840153

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Looks just like the olight Odin set up, I'll pass.

 

[groundscrapers]

30 super is DOA because it is pointless.

This too. It’s not different enough to warrant the product line expansion.

 

[T-Unit]

This too. It’s not different enough to warrant the product line expansion.

It's a de facto rimless .32 magnum, it is different but compared to 9mm it's double the price of ammo for, right now, 2 more rounds.

In a full size like a Glock 20, if it can hold 25 rds in a flush fit mag it's a gamechanger.

 

[whacko]

And just how big is the 5.7 market? I'd argue that it is tiny, just like 327 Magnum.

I see more 327 fed mag in shelves than I see 5.7

 

[drgrant]

Meh .... IMHO, they look a lot like the lancer mags that have been around for a while.

Magazines – Lancer Systems

lancer-systems.com

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That's why you buy both and have crates full of both.

 

[wcorey]

Here you go. This is what the market has been calling for. In the age of 15-17 round P365s, what we need is a single stack, 10 round 9mm built around 1911 magazines. That genius Rob Pincus is behind it and he’s got MAC shilling for him.


View: https://youtu.be/KEug6vuAB6U?si=UM6y0kzOAV69NzPk

It's pretty much yet another glock clone but in 43x format with alternate ergo's and a different proprietary mag, same shitty trigger even...
I wonder if some of the glock internals fit...

 

[M1911]

It's pretty much yet another glock clone but in 43x format with alternate ergo's and a different proprietary mag, same shitty trigger even...
I wonder if some of the glock internals fit...

But with a worse magazine. The 43x magazine is a staggered mag, not a single stack, so the 43x grip is shorter.

 

[chris_1001]

T'was a joke

I know. Lol

 

[general disorder]

I think of Mac as the same way I think of The Den of Tools on YouTube. A lot of good information their but the're both industry shills at times. Take it with a grain of salt and all.

 

[GunGuy2014]

Next Year: “Introducing Holosun PVS-31’s”

 

[groundscrapers]

It's a de facto rimless .32 magnum, it is different but compared to 9mm it's double the price of ammo for, right now, 2 more rounds.

In a full size like a Glock 20, if it can hold 25 rds in a flush fit mag it's a gamechanger.

If it was the gamechanger you are saying it is you would see more demand. I can tell you that from my take inside the industry no one is asking for it. I haven't' been asked to design any slides or barrels for it from any of my clients.

 

[T-Unit]

If it was the gamechanger you are saying it is you would see more demand. I can tell you that from my take inside the industry no one is asking for it. I haven't' been asked to design any slides or barrels for it from any of my clients.

If you don't make it there can't be any demand. Idk what the total capacity of a flush fit full size mag would be for .30 Super, there's been speculation it could hold 25. If it can, that's incredible, I don't see how an 8mm with 9mm performance that holds 25 wouldn't sell decently enough when 5.7 has a niche that keeps generating sales.

Until that full size concept pistol for .30 comes about, there will never be any demand. If the best .30 Super can do is fit an extra 2 in a doublestack compared to 9mm, then it's a dead cartridge.

 

[Coyote33]

How about taking one of those full size .22 Mag pistols with 30 rounds, and making a compact version with 20 rounds?

I wouldn't mind seeing them come out with a .20 WSM. Something with a little more smack than the .17 HMR and .17 WSM, and more speed than the .22 Mag. It could be yet another stepping stone, along with .17 HMR, .17 WSM, .17 Hornet, .17 Fireball, .20 Vartarg, .20 Practical, .22 Hornet, .221 Fireball, .223 continuum, but in an inexpensive rimfire on already proven rifles.

 

[straightshooterjake]

How about taking one of those full size .22 Mag pistols with 30 rounds, and making a compact version with 20 rounds?

I wouldn't mind seeing them come out with a .20 WSM. Something with a little more smack than the .17 HMR and .17 WSM, and more speed than the .22 Mag. It could be yet another stepping stone, along with .17 HMR, .17 WSM, .17 Hornet, .17 Fireball, .20 Vartarg, .20 Practical, .22 Hornet, .221 Fireball, .223 continuum, but in an inexpensive rimfire on already proven rifles.

They could call the new round 5mm Remington Rimfire Magnum. Seriously, I am not sure why this round died, and there has already been at least one attempt to bring it back. It pretty much fits the description you gave, so people have been considering this niche for about 50 years.

 

[Coyote33]

They could call the new round 5mm Remington Rimfire Magnum. Seriously, I am not sure why this round died, and there has already been at least one attempt to bring it back. It pretty much fits the description you gave, so people have been considering this niche for about 50 years.

I'm pretty sure they already brought that back, and it went nowhere. I'm pretty certain the .17 WSM is bigger (and therefore a .20 as well).

Here's an article where they compare the 5mm Remington Magnum , .22 Mag, and .17 HMR.

Comparison: .17 HMR, 5mm Rem. RF Mag, and .22 WMR

The .17 WSM beats all of those, and a .20 just ups the bullet size a little.

Here are some other comparisons:

17 HMR vs 17 WSM Ballistics Comparison | Sportsman's Warehouse

Ballistics and performance comparison between the 17 HMR vs 17 WSM cartridges.

www.sportsmans.com

An Official Journal Of The NRA | Head to Head: .17 HMR vs. .17 WSM

Which of these cartridges better serves the hunter looking for a speedy rimfire? Contributor Philip Massaro examines the pros and cons of each.

www.americanhunter.org

.17 WSM Winchester Super Magnum vs .22 WMR Winchester Magnum Rimfire Ammo Comparison - Ballistics Info & Chart

The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .17 WSM Winchester Super Magnum vs .22 WMR Winchester Magnum Rimfire ammo rounds. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does...

www.foundryoutdoors.com

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

New DesertTech bulpup. All new system. This one is designed to handle full-auto, unlike its predecessor, so the reliability should be on par with X95 or better.

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

GLOBAL ORDDANCE, an ammo seller from what I can tell, has announced a bufferless AR.

Global Ordnance Unveils MONOLITH at SHOT Show 2024

Compact, accurate, lightweight, and feature-rich, MONOLITH exemplifies Global Ordnance's commitment to pushing the boundaries of firearm technology and design.

www.ammoland.com

 

[Coyote33]

Ameriglo Tall Backup Sights

Wait, it seems like just yesterday they were pushing "low profile" sights. Sometimes they would call them "snag-free" or "snagless".
This is all just a fashion industry for weak hearted men.

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

It's a cute new revolver. Looks pretty nice:

Diamondback Firearms to Showcase the New SDR .357 Revolver at Shot Show Media Day 2024

Diamondback Firearms to Showcase the New SDR .357 Revolver at Shot Show Media Day 2024.

www.firearmsguide.com

 

[Ultrarunner]

GLOBAL ORDDANCE, an ammo seller from what I can tell, has announced a bufferless AR.

Global Ordnance Unveils MONOLITH at SHOT Show 2024

Compact, accurate, lightweight, and feature-rich, MONOLITH exemplifies Global Ordnance's commitment to pushing the boundaries of firearm technology and design.

www.ammoland.com

This screams reliability issues...