Medical Pot Card denial - Bass Pro Shit show

[seanc]

Bong Around- Find out.

And rural king is a big box fla store and I have seen very good prices.

 

[Dench]

That's likely pure bullshit. That's boxy mc boxerton store garbage.

Nobody should be buying guns at BPS or Cabelas. Ever.

I don't know why you people have to flint so hard. All you're doing is f***ing normal shops out of money, in favor of one that would vomit on you if they could make a couple bucks off
you.

Then again in places like FL a lot of the normal shops are terrible, so there's that.

We have a great shop thats local, mark goes there also. I was wondering why he boight at basspro instead of the local ffl.

Local guy does $15 tranfers hes awesome

 

[MGnoob]

You can’t even eat the gummy bears.

You won’t piss clean


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[MGnoob]

The only invoice I have to give you is don’t lose your f***ing hearing aids the toilet you’ll feel like a real a**h*** You’ll be standing there looking like you’re stupid

 

[robjax]

So did you get the G19????

 

[MGnoob]

You have to get there immediately…

 

[MGnoob]

I’m curious what these batteries taste like they say that their child safe but I doubt it

 

[fencer]

Nobody should be buying guns at BPS or Cabelas. Ever.

I bought a gun from Bass Pro once... never again.

 

[CMEBoston]

Idk why you would get a card when you can just buy it anywhere without one. I know a friend who had a card years ago and let it expire. They can still purchase ammo and such.

Not in Florida it’s medical only

 

[fencer]

The only invoice I have to give you is don’t lose your f***ing hearing aids the toilet you’ll feel like a real a**h*** You’ll be standing there looking like you’re stupid

You have to get there immediately…

I’m curious what these batteries taste like they say that their child safe but I doubt it

Are you high now?

 

[MGnoob]

Yeah i’m probably gonna stand back up. I don’t like it. I’m pretty good at it.

 

[millbilly]

No. They have stated that possession of a card is basis for a reasonable belief that the person is an illegal user or addict. These statements are NOT equivalent. A small amount of due diligence by the FFL can reduce the basis to less than reasonable belief.


It is very important to understand the document you linked. It is an open letter with an opinion by the ATF. It is NOT a CFR so not a rule that went through publishing and comment and final enactment. It is not case law. It is the OPINION of the specific member of leadership at the ATF.

In the end, the FFL may have to defend their decision process. While answering NO to the question and a MJ card seems to lead to no transaction, ASKING the person if in fact they buy/use MJ with their card and questioning 21.f could result in less than reasonable belief. It also requires that they are CURRENTLY an unlawful user or addict and does not reference the past or the future.

So sure, the "safe" thing is to deny the transaction based on a MJ card. It is not a hard requirement based on the legal paperwork trail from the ATF.

A small amount of due diligence? Lmao. I'm playing this conversation out in my head and it's retarded. I don't think marijuana should be illegal at all

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

So this boner-biter makes a habit of attempting repeated firearms purchases from the SAME store that are well-aware he has a medical card and that he KNOWS they’ll deny his sales outright?

 

[Mark from ?]

We have a great shop thats local, mark goes there also. I was wondering why he boight at basspro instead of the local ffl.

Local guy does $15 tranfers hes awesome

A Gen 4 G19 Mint for 200 is why. They had it for 350 and I got 50 dollars for the new promotion knocking it to 300, and used CC points to kick another 100 off.

I do usually support our local big time in most cases, but will admit if BPS isn't busy....they aren't there worst.

There are some crappy ass shops down here. I went to one to shoot in Ft. Myers the other day cause I was on the way by and wanted to stop in.....never again...they were total a**h***s.

 

[Asaltweapon]

So this boner-biter makes a habit of attempting repeated firearms purchases from the SAME store that are well-aware he has a medical card and that he KNOWS they’ll deny his sales outright?

Boner Biter?

 

[Broc Tuah]

This is why you never go to an FFL, use the gun show loophole instead.

 

[Mark from ?]

This is why you never go to an FFL, use the gun show loophole instead.

Honestly....exactly.....I wanted to tell the guy...why are you messing up my day with your retarded yelling and filming....

Go buy one off the back of someone's tailgate...this is Fing Florida. Floridaguntrader.com

I'll be honest with you though, why I haven't done that is because shit is overpriced down here......you'd think there would be 350 dollar glocks everywhere, but there aren't.
Im not travelling 2 hours either to some redneck swamp town where you might get a deal.

 

[Kevin_NH]

Drink all the alcohol you want, because you can't get addict to that drug.

Alcohol (and tobacco) have a carve-out in the federal regulations

For the purpose of the national firearms act, controlled substance is "A drug or other substance, or immediate
precursor, as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act, 21 U.S.C. 802. The term includes, but is not limited to,
marijuana, depressants, stimulants, and narcotic drugs. The term does not include distilled spirits, wine, malt beverages, or
tobacco, as those terms are defined or used in Subtitle E of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended"

They are telling me if you have a FL Med Card...its linked in with the feds somehow and it will deny the background check even if you answer no on the drug question.

That's likely pure bullshit.

It is bullshit -- we'd certainly get an earful from NORML et al if Florida (or any other state) fed their MMJ card registry to NICS.

 

[Asaltweapon]

This is why you never go to an FFL, use the gun show loophole instead.

That’s been my gun go to store for years now.

 

[sbhaven]

I think that the mere possession of the card is hardly proof that someone is a marijuana user.

What you or I think doesn't matter. ATF thinks otherwise and has indicated such to FFL's. ATF felt, at least in 2011 when they issued the previously linked open notice to FFL's, that possession of a MJ card gives the FFL "reasonable cause to believe" that the card holder is an unlawful user of a controlled substance.

 

[cams]

Sounds like the guy is bucking for a lawsuit somewhere, twice denied in the same place for the same reason? Probably got talked into it by his friend, Florida Man, during a Maury Povich episode.

 

[Ultrarunner]

We have Murdochs in Wyoming and Montana, and while they're a "big box store" the gun buying experience is akin to a local mom and pop shop. Fast, easy, no manager BS. Their gun prices are high but occasionally they'll get stupid cheap promos.

I bought a RIA 1911 for $299 and got an M206 Revolver included, FREE. Didn't like how they shot and sold them both at the pawn shop for $450.

 

[Dench]

Sounds like the guy is bucking for a lawsuit somewhere, twice denied in the same place for the same reason? Probably got talked into it by his friend, Florida Man, during a Maury Povich episode.

I greatly dislike this current situation with the ATF and DEA. I also resent many NES members for being ok with or indifferent about the subject. The 2A is under attack. So why are people who claim to be 2A supporters not at all interested in advocating against the DQ of people who are locally legally using a substance? Why support the DQ of millions of people? This is essentially another gun control scheme meant to lower the amount of people who own guns.

The DEA is a hack fraud organization. Pretending that cannabis is schedule 1 is an insult to our intelligence. It's completely ridiculous and comically out of context.

I said it before and I'll say it again, 8 years as a firefighter and I cant remember a SINGLE MJ related incident that I responded to. People are brainwashed.

Meanwhile I can go buy a bottle of alcohol, black out and kill someone with my car. Giving me that ability to make such bad decisions is a bet society is ok with taking but not the devils lettuce.

 

[Mark from ?]

Alcohol (and tobacco) have a carve-out in the federal regulations

For the purpose of the national firearms act, controlled substance is "A drug or other substance, or immediate
precursor, as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act, 21 U.S.C. 802. The term includes, but is not limited to,
marijuana, depressants, stimulants, and narcotic drugs. The term does not include distilled spirits, wine, malt beverages, or
tobacco, as those terms are defined or used in Subtitle E of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended"


It is bullshit -- we'd certainly get an earful from NORML et al if Florida (or any other state) fed their MMJ card registry to NICS.

Agree....its likely their POLICY not the law....their store their rules.

 

[cams]

I greatly dislike this current situation with the ATF and DEA. I also resent many NES members for being ok with or indifferent about the subject. The 2A is under attack. So why are people who claim to be 2A supporters not at all interested in advocating against the DQ of people who are locally legally using a substance? Why support the DQ of millions of people? This is essentially another gun control scheme meant to lower the amount of people who own guns.

The DEA is a hack fraud organization. Pretending that cannabis is schedule 1 is an insult to our intelligence. It's completely ridiculous and comically out of context.

I said it before and I'll say it again, 8 years as a firefighter and I cant remember a SINGLE MJ related incident that I responded to. People are brainwashed.

Meanwhile I can go buy a bottle of alcohol, black out and kill someone with my car. Giving me that ability to make such bad decisions is a bet society is ok with taking but not the devils lettuce.

I agree and have a similar LE experience with actual weed users, not spice or synth stuff, that shits terrible, just your everyday natural stoner, zero problems in 20yrs.

Now compare that to your everyday drunk, massive a**h***-ish difference in attitude.

To add to that, I have seen many veterans that I know, who were literally drinking themselves to death and eating pills like Skittles thanks to the VA’s medicate and separate policy, who at one point or another decided to take on the legal risk as a last resort and turned to smoking as an alternate method of self medication, and have completely turned their lives around, much more relaxed, much less anxiety, and actually even being able to smile and laugh again. What a difference.

 

[Ultrarunner]

I greatly dislike this current situation with the ATF and DEA. I also resent many NES members for being ok with or indifferent about the subject. The 2A is under attack. So why are people who claim to be 2A supporters not at all interested in advocating against the DQ of people who are locally legally using a substance? Why support the DQ of millions of people? This is essentially another gun control scheme meant to lower the amount of people who own guns.

The DEA is a hack fraud organization. Pretending that cannabis is schedule 1 is an insult to our intelligence. It's completely ridiculous and comically out of context.

I said it before and I'll say it again, 8 years as a firefighter and I cant remember a SINGLE MJ related incident that I responded to. People are brainwashed.

Meanwhile I can go buy a bottle of alcohol, black out and kill someone with my car. Giving me that ability to make such bad decisions is a bet society is ok with taking but not the devils lettuce.

Solid point. I for one can't stand MJ but it isn't intellectually consistent to argue that users should be prohibited from 2A. Especially considering the selective enforcement for the unwashed...

 

[Mark from ?]

I greatly dislike this current situation with the ATF and DEA. I also resent many NES members for being ok with or indifferent about the subject. The 2A is under attack. So why are people who claim to be 2A supporters not at all interested in advocating against the DQ of people who are locally legally using a substance? Why support the DQ of millions of people? This is essentially another gun control scheme meant to lower the amount of people who own guns.

The DEA is a hack fraud organization. Pretending that cannabis is schedule 1 is an insult to our intelligence. It's completely ridiculous and comically out of context.

I said it before and I'll say it again, 8 years as a firefighter and I cant remember a SINGLE MJ related incident that I responded to. People are brainwashed.

Meanwhile I can go buy a bottle of alcohol, black out and kill someone with my car. Giving me that ability to make such bad decisions is a bet society is ok with taking but not the devils lettuce.

Im indifferent to it because I don't use it. But I don't agree with the DQ part of it either, same with any other legal drug.

However.....I guess until its considered legal federally your SOL....that's a case for the Supremes or something I dont follow it.....but would be on board with taking that away as a DQ for gun purchase.

But even still....plenty of potheads buying guns. Because realistically what everyone here is telling me that even if you have the MMJ card in Florida you just answer no on the 4473 to that question, get your gun and go about your merry way...just not at Bass Pro shops or Cabelas. Not the end of the world.

Or buy on Floridaguntrader.......which I'll admit is what i should be doing, i just haven't seen that many deals.

So the question is answered...this guy is either looking for a payday to sue Big Box for their policy, or he was extra special retarded......to try something twice that store policy is against and try and get away with it.

In Florida.....Ill go with both retarded and looking for a payout as well.

 

[CrackPot]

A small amount of due diligence? Lmao. I'm playing this conversation out in my head and it's retarded. I don't think marijuana should be illegal at all

Unfortunately we have not been discussing whether the current laws make sense or should exist. Being a true libertarian I believe ALL substances should be legal and people can do whatever they want to their own bodies, no matter how self destructive.

We have been discussing the conditions on a FFLs license and how that aligns with MJ Cards issued by states. That is a practical discussion since the ATF can revoke an FFLs license for violating the terms of their license.

 

[Mark from ?]

I agree and have a similar LE experience with actual weed users, not spice or synth stuff, that shits terrible, just your everyday natural stoner, zero problems in 20yrs.

Now compare that to your everyday drunk, massive a**h***-ish difference in attitude.

To add to that, I have seen many veterans that I know, who were literally drinking themselves to death and eating pills like Skittles thanks to the VA’s medicate and separate policy, who at one point or another decided to take on the legal risk as a last resort and turned to smoking as an alternate method of self medication, and have completely turned their lives around, much more relaxed, much less anxiety, and actually even being able to smile and laugh again. What a difference.

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Well......the Bass Pro dude must not have been smoking enough....cause he was full of anxiety, and certainly wasn't laughing. After he left one of the clerks said WTF...thought pot was supposed to mellow you out???

 

[Dench]

Well......the Bass Pro dude must not have been smoking enough....cause he was full of anxiety, and certainly wasn't laughing. After he left one of the clerks said WTF...thought pot was supposed to mellow you out???

I wouldn't be thrilled about being denied a constitutional right myself.