The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

[not new guy]

Actually they do care.
If all 20k members showed up at the statehouse AND went inside once a year at GOAL's request then all this shit would stop.
But a good portion of those that show up to the common won't make the effort to go in the building and just speak to whatever politician is around at the time.
Years ago we did put together a grass roots call list that actually took action with it'stime2a that actually got results.
How do I know - I had politicians call me back after messages left mentioning starting another call campaign. And that was only several hundred people on a call chain causing then problems.

I don’t know, if 20k angry gun owners flooded the state house I suspect the legislators would prioritize their attempts to disarm them rather than appease them.

 

[Broc Tuah]

So hypothetically speaking, what is the general consensus on lowers not built, but purchased before 8/1 grandfather date? I understand under current law a stripped lower is not a firearm but hypothetically, if I had 3-4 stripped lowers that are not going to be built before 8/1, would it be recommended to EFA-10 in an attempt to comply with grandfathering date or not? I understand that there is no definitive correct answer.. just wondering what every one else is doing.. semi-pantshitter, forum lurker here.

What will you FA10 when the form asks for CALIBER? ... will you lie?

The form is for FIREARMS. Is a stripped lower a firearm?

If you have a spare firing pin in a box, are you going to FA10 that as well?

 

[pastera]

After 8/1 the “fires a projectile” requirement is void and frames/lowers are considered firearms though, correct? Again I understand the language used is designed to trip everyone up. Just trying to gauge what others are planning to do.. hypothetically.

Correct - once effective (not likely 8/1) this bill makes a frame a firearm the same as federal treatment.
So it won't matter if you only have a frame or a freedom built rifle, they both are felonies.

 

[pastera]

I don’t know, if 20k angry gun owners flooded the state house I suspect the legislators would prioritize their attempts to disarm them rather than appease them.

That's not how it works.
They know we aren't a risk of violent action - they are worried about pushing too far and loosing their political monopoly.

 

[drgrant]

That's not how it works.
They know we aren't a risk of violent action - they are worried about pushing too far and loosing their political monopoly.

They're not that dumb.

They know there's no chance of that happening in MA.

 

[Broc Tuah]

You need to stop thinking that "gun owner means rkba supporter" it doesn't- tons of these people are libtards that don't really care about their rights.

If every gun owner actually cared about their rights then this wouldn't even be a question in this country anymore and antis would be considered the equivalent of child molesters by society.

I lost count of how many gun owners I met that are OK with restrictions, including NES members.

"I think more background checks are OK, for the children"
"I don't need 30 rounds, I am fine with 10 at the range"
"why do they allow people to buy that?"
"bump stocks are stupid, who cares"
"Red flag laws are not a bad idea, I know a person I don't think should be allowed to own a gun"
...

The list goes ON.

Spend a day at your local FFL and listen to people, you will hear a few every hour. Then go to the range and start conversations.

 

[Picton]

Because "politicians" ... they wanted to pass SOMETHING.

Doing nothing doesn't give them bragging rights when running to be re-elected.

Ayup.

This is optics. They're not under the delusion this will affect crime, especially since they didn't appropriate any money to implement or enforce it.

Recommended was the wrong word, just trying to gauge what others are hypothetically doing if they had purchased stripped lowers prior to 8/1. Everyone is just saying grow balls or do what you believe… trying to see what others may have actually done or are planning to do.. hypothetically….

If they're smart, they might not want to say...

Some of them are, indeed, giving advice: build it out (perhaps as a .22lr), EFA-10 now, then break down. If I was in your boat (I'm not; I don't really like ARs), that's probably what I'd do.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Legislators may campaign on "I do not seek or want the vote of GOAL members or gun owners" and still win in a landslide if they have a "D" by their name.

As Karen Spilka said "The Democratic primary is the real election in this state".

 

[JMI13]

What will you FA10 when the form asks for CALIBER? ... will you lie?

The form is for FIREARMS. Is a stripped lower a firearm?

If you have a spare firing pin in a box, are you going to FA10 that as well?

One might put “Multi” like what is engraved in the lower?.. I think you meant “what would you put for barrel length?” As an upper receiver has not been paired with the lower so that cannot be answered… If hypothetically in that position an individual may choose to put the barrel length that they were planning on buying..

 

[pastera]

What will you FA10 when the form asks for CALIBER? ... will you lie?

The form is for FIREARMS. Is a stripped lower a firearm?

If you have a spare firing pin in a box, are you going to FA10 that as well?

That's why I say if you want to comply then just build out the lower and mate it to an upper - now the lower shows evidence of being in a fireable condition.

 

[Broc Tuah]

I would put “Multi” like what is engraved in the lower?.. I think you meant “what would you put for barrel length?” As an upper receiver has not been paired with the lower so that cannot be answered… I may hypothetically choose to put the barrel length that I’m planning on buying..

Is there a place to type MULTI?

Please, go to the form and post a screenshot.

I may hypothetically choose to put the barrel length that I’m planning on buying..

So, you choose to lie.

 

[Broc Tuah]

That's why I say if you want to comply then just build out the lower and mate it to an upper - now the lower shows evidence of being in a fireable condition.

1. You are assuming the person has an upper.
2. What evidence? ... it is still your word that the lower has an upper.

In this case you might as well just lie if you have at least 1 upper.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Would you eFA-10 a gun that is missing a part? Several parts? What if those parts included the barrel an bolt? It is possible to have a .300 blackout AR with a missing barrel and bolt?

 

[HorizontalHunter]

In my experience, HPO's ARE easier to obtain. I had an issue with a crazy neighbor. Yes, he was literally crazy. On a Monday, I had an incident with him on my property. The police came and gave him a verbal trespass. The police told me to go to court the next day (Tues) to get an HPO. No appointment necessary. I went on 9:00 am Tues, saw the clerk, filled out some paperwork and told me to go to the courtroom and wait for me to be called. 30 minutes later, I was called before a judge. I explained what was going on and he issued me a 14 day order on the spot and told me there would be another hearing in 2 weeks. I was in and out of there in less than an hour with the order in hand. At no time was the other party in court.

The police then served the crazy guy a day later to go see the judge in 2 weeks. I show up at court 2 weeks later, crazy guy doesn't show, so the judge gives me a 1 year HPO that needs to be renewed every year.


YMMV

It should be harder than that to take away someone’s constitutional rights. The person should have the opportunity to defend themselves before their rights and property are taken from him.

 

[El_Guapo77]

Thank you for taking the correct stance on this.
We want the worst to be done here - that gives us the best standing to move quickly with summary judgment up to the Supreme Court.
Since no lower court is going to issue a broad injunction nor rule in our favor we want the fastest path - unfortunately that's the most painful.

The only flaw in this plan is that it will take Years

 

[Grendizer138]

I lost count of how many gun owners I met that are OK with restrictions, including NES members.

"I think more background checks are OK, for the children"
"I don't need 30 rounds, I am fine with 10 at the range"
"why do they allow people to buy that?"
"bump stocks are stupid, who cares"
"Red flag laws are not a bad idea, I know a person I don't think should be allowed to own a gun"
...

The list goes ON.

Spend a day at your local FFL and listen to people, you will hear a few every hour. Then go to the range and start conversations.

Yep. When the RI Governor was about to sign the recent mag restriction law into effect I contacted a bunch of RI friends with info and encouraged them to call.

One RI gunowner, who owns AR15s, was “fine with the new law”. I immediately put him on block and still ignore him when i see him. I don’t want such risky people in my life.

It was eye opening

 

[pastera]

They're not that dumb.

They know there's no chance of that happening in MA.

They seriously don't like it when they can't go into their office without being inundated with calls and unhappy visitors.
Right now conservatives are just a token set of representatives and no one takes them seriously because of it. Self fulfilling problem.

But because democrats have such an easy job they are lazy and don't like to take any perceived risks. Crush their phone lines and crowd their office and they back down quickly

 

[alan226]

It should be harder than that to take away someone’s constitutional rights. The person should have the opportunity to defend themselves before their rights and property are taken from him.

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Maybe, maybe not. I obviously don't have access to the crazy guys records, but the vibe I got was the police and courts dealt with him before. Pretty sure that while I was waiting in court, the judge or clerk pulled up his records and saw it wasn't the first time....

 

[SHOCKNAWE]

How about doing whatever you want and not getting caught?

There is not any realistic situation where they are going to come and inspect anything, they don't have the recourses for that bullshit.

The amount of NEW AR's that are hitting the homes of Mass residents is probably 100x the amount during the covid panic buying.

Dont get a domestic, don't get caught driving dirty with it in your vehicle and be aware of your surroundings at the range and your probably 99.9% fine.

 

[JMI13]

Is there a place to type MULTI?

Please, go to the form and post a screenshot.


So, you choose to lie.

How would I be choosing to lie? I’m confused on this.. if it doesn’t provide and option for multi I would put .556….? Would that be a lie? How have people been doing it for years? I just checked and on my last build I put .556. The lower says multi.. was I lying back then as well?

 

[not new guy]

How about doing whatever you want and not getting caught?

There is not any realistic situation where they are going to come and inspect anything, they don't have the recourses for that bullshit.

The amount of NEW AR's that are hitting the homes of Mass residents is probably 100x the amount during the covid panic buying.

Dont get a domestic, don't get caught driving dirty with it in your vehicle and be aware of your surroundings at the range and your probably 99.9% fine.

...and don't date women who are subject to crazy mood swings or have children that speak without filters.

 

[AJK129]

...and don't date women who are subject to crazy mood swings or have children that speak without filters.

This is why I keep her in a different state

 

[MAJoe]

How would I be choosing to lie? I’m confused on this.. if it doesn’t provide and option for multi I would put .556….? Would that be a lie? How have people been doing it for years? I just checked and on my last build I put .556. The lower says multi.. was I lying back then as well?

People build it and put the actual info in. Only a few places made a habit of registering stripped lowers, and that was many years ago. Do you really not have any other parts to swap in and build it?

 

[drgrant]

They seriously don't like it when they can't go into their office without being inundated with calls and unhappy visitors.
Right now conservatives are just a token set of representatives and no one takes them seriously because of it. Self fulfilling problem.

But because democrats have such an easy job they are lazy and don't like to take any perceived risks. Crush their phone lines and crowd their office and they back down quickly

That works if they are moderates and there's a perception of risk. Now that this state is run by moonbats they know that there is no risk.

People bombed their offices with calls at the beginning of all this, it quite obviously did nothing. Also a lot of these people just dodged meetings with constituents as well. They don't care. Remember these are moonbats not reasonable people a lot of them probably got moist over hearing the complaints because they knew they were over the target. Protest works better when there's semi reasonable people in the mix. These people are not reasonable.

 

[MAJoe]

...and don't date women who are subject to crazy mood swings or have children that speak without filters.

Yeah I mean, every criminal I’m sure says the same… it’s fine until you get caught. There’s a lot of free internet advice on “just do it” but that’s not what a good contingent of people are looking for. If there’s a way to do shit legally… it’s not helpful to tell people to sack up and disobey.

 

[maltc]

FFL’s are so screwed.

 

[pastera]

1. You are assuming the person has an upper.
2. What evidence? ... it is still your word that the lower has an upper.

In this case you might as well just lie if you have at least 1 upper.

1 - if they don't then they should beg/borrow one

2 - inserting pins leaves scratches in the holes showing the lower was assembled.

Overnight shipping on a lower kit and a BCA upper would run a person around $400-$450

If there is someone who wants to comply but can't drop the cash right now contact me by pm and I'll pull a couple of lower build kits together and help them do the build, register, disassemble routine
Not that I'm promoting compliance just that I understand that not everyone is in a position to take a stance.

 

[not new guy]

They seriously don't like it when they can't go into their office without being inundated with calls and unhappy visitors.
Right now conservatives are just a token set of representatives and no one takes them seriously because of it. Self fulfilling problem.

But because democrats have such an easy job they are lazy and don't like to take any perceived risks. Crush their phone lines and crowd their office and they back down quickly

They don't like it because it's inconvenient for them, it's not that they have a problem with their political opponents (who happen to be constituents) feeling like they've been wronged.

 

[Broc Tuah]

How would I be choosing to lie? I’m confused on this.. if it doesn’t provide and option for multi I would put .556….? Would that be a lie? How have people been doing it for years? I just checked and on my last build I put .556. The lower says multi.. was I lying back then as well?

If you register something that doesn't exist, that is a lie.

 

[pastera]

So, you choose to lie.

Why not?
Lying to a tyrant is patriotic