The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

GL2020 said:
Don't give them any ideas. I'm waiting for serialized brass casing on ammo as the next big thing
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that was supposed to be a thing-microstamped or something
and it'll be coming to a country near you (even if it doesn't work)
California ignored these impossibilities and passed a dual-placement microstamping mandate in 2007, despite the firearm industry testifying the technology doesn’t work. Then-California Attorney General and now Vice President Kamala Harris certified the law in 2013, along with California’s Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. Since then, firearm manufactures have introduced no new handguns to California.
 
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Redsox802 said:
So buyer beware post 8/1 and make sure you watch the ban list like a hawk if you don’t want to be a felon in waiting. Got it. Uhg.
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The only things that would be safe from the AW roster in the future are things ‘exempt by name’ in the law - the ‘Appendix A’ guns - vanilla versions of the Ruger mini 14 and one or two other hunting semi autos.
 
Ma senator Ed Malarkey was on tv last night announcing his intention to add more judges to the Supreme Court because it’s obviously not fair that the Supreme Court doesn’t always side with the democrats there for the system must be broken … just putting that out their 💩
 
RandomBS said:
It's funny how in the news articles I've seen about the bill it only mentions "ghost guns" and ERPOs. Not how the roster change is the biggest blanket gun ban to ever take place by a state law.
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What HE just said. I was thinking the same thing. They are banning a fully manufactured product built, tested, and certified in house and distributing them to dealers who sell them. Why didn't Jim Wallace mention that (or did he and got edited out?) when he got his 2 seconds on the local news? So this alone,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, should immediately be challenged. These are common use firearms.
 
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I still can’t wrap my head around any of this if you’re average person can’t read and understand it that it’s not posted in every f***ing language on the planet how are you supposed to comply?

I’ll try to figure it out once it is signed… even if you had superhuman intelligence there’s so much interpretation going on it’s impossible
 
MGnoob said:
I still can’t wrap my head around any of this if you’re average person can’t read and understand it that it’s not posted in every f***ing language on the planet how are you supposed to comply?

I’ll try to figure it out once it is signed… even if you had superhuman intelligence there’s so much interpretation going on it’s impossible
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I wonder how the poor criminals are having to reschedule and sub out jobs now because they have to study and interpret these new laws which takes valuable time off the clock ? A guy at my club commented months ago that "They know this won't stop ANY crime at all, they just want to gather at their parties and brag about taking away people's rights".
 
I'm wondering if my stroke-victim brother can transfer his large capacity rifles to me, after 8/1? one is pre 94 the other is pre 2016. But I guess they're one in the same now.
 
Kurtz said:
I'm wondering if my stroke-victim brother can transfer his large capacity rifles to me, after 8/1? one is pre 94 the other is pre 2016. But I guess they're one in the same now.
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Yeah, not really… you’re not supposed to have the evil features on there unless it’s pre 94… but that’s never stopped anybody yet
 
MGnoob said:
Yeah, not really… you’re not supposed to have the evil features on there unless it’s pre 94… but that’s never stopped anybody yet
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No, I think 2016 is the new date for evil features as they're exempted from the definition of AWs under this pile of shit. But people in the other thread were questioning whether pre-2016 ARs could be transferred between private parties. I believe they can still be transferred, but can somebody smarter than me confirm?
 
not new guy said:
No, I think 2016 is the new date for evil features as they're exempted from the definition of AWs under this pile of shit. But people in the other thread were questioning whether pre-2016 ARs could be transferred between private parties. I believe they can still be transferred, but can somebody smarter than me confirm?
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If that is the case, it makes absolutely no sense…

You want I wanna track down as a bayonet for my Uzi why? Why not? Check this one out
 
It makes no diffrence how the media portrays this new law. Even if they did a full blast on all of what this bill has in it and how it changes things for gun owners in the state the majority of the populus won't care or will personal think it is all good. The fact that the majority of people in the state are not gun owners and in many casses really beleave guns are dangerous and all gun control laws will make them safer eventhough this is not a reality they beleave it is. it also dosent apply to them personally so they don't care and can not see past that reasoning.
 
Has anyone been able to figure out if there was an emergency preamble added?

If not, what are the effective dates for the law now?
 
not new guy said:
No, I think 2016 is the new date for evil features as they're exempted from the definition of AWs under this pile of shit. But people in the other thread were questioning whether pre-2016 ARs could be transferred between private parties. I believe they can still be transferred, but can somebody smarter than me confirm?
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Private sales between LTC holders is a-ok. It depends on the asw date cutoff of which there is no absolute certainty.
 
There's some unasked questions or they have been but I'm like Tommy, deaf, dumb and blind. Like for instance, one feature of an AR is you can switch out the upper to change lengths, calibers or other features. How far down the rabbit hole will this go as in say intent by way of assemblage or being popped for a 5.56 that is now a .22 if it were "registered"? I have a dedicated upper in .22 and to switch it I just need to swap out the buffer and spring then reassemble it with the .22. There are other similar situations as in I own a S&W 22S but I have two barrel assemblies for it, one is its original bull barrel and one is a long slide version with a pistol scope. Naturally the frame has the serial number. On the unnatural side, I also own a pair of Ruger Mark 4's. On Ruger Mark pistols, the barrel/chamber has the serial number. I can buy what's called a take-off barrel (no bolt, just the barrel) from companies like Tandemkross or Volqaustsen who modify Mark 4's for customers but have no use for the barrel so if I wanted to, as all mark 4 barrels fit all mark 4 frames, I could switch from a completion model, to target to tactical, whatever. In order to get the barrel, it needs to go through an FFL How do they propose I go about filing with a bunch of halves.
 
Taipan01 said:
There's some unasked questions or they have been but I'm like Tommy, deaf, dumb and blind. Like for instance, one feature of an AR is you can switch out the upper to change lengths, calibers or other features. How far down the rabbit hole will this go as in say intent by way of assemblage or being popped for a 5.56 that is now a .22 if it were "registered"? I have a dedicated upper in .22 and to switch it I just need to swap out the buffer and spring then reassemble it with the .22. There are other similar situations as in I own a S&W 22S but I have two barrel assemblies for it, one is its original bull barrel and one is a long slide version with a pistol scope. Naturally the frame has the serial number. On the unnatural side, I also own a pair of Ruger Mark 4's. On Ruger Mark pistols, the barrel/chamber has the serial number. I can buy what's called a take-off barrel (no bolt, just the barrel) from companies like Tandemkross or Volqaustsen who modify Mark 4's for customers but have no use for the barrel so if I wanted to, as all mark 4 barrels fit all mark 4 frames, I could switch from a completion model, to target to tactical, whatever. In order to get the barrel, it needs to go through an FFL How do they propose I go about filing with a bunch of halves.
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I usually go along with what the federal law states but in this state it’s anyone’s guess. under federal law you don’t have to tell about caliber changes Massachusetts never even gonna be able to figure out this f***ing registry. Never mind keep track any of that.
 
Was chatting with a coupe LEO's in the gun shop the other day. They were panic buying and also buying 10 round mags so they can carry when they're off duty. They were not happy about this BS and claimed their union is not happy and was also going to fight this new BS law. According to them, they were told when they clock out they need to also switch to a 10 round mag to comply with the new law.
 
edin508 said:
Was chatting with a coupe LEO's in the gun shop the other day. They were panic buying and also buying 10 round mags so they can carry when they're off duty. They were not happy about this BS and claimed their union is not happy and was also going to fight this new BS law. According to them, they were told when they clock out they need to also switch to a 10 round mag to comply with the new law.
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Fight=Carve out for the fat blue liners
 

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