Ultimate SHTF rifle???

I would rather what I hit screams, wails and rolls around on the ground. It’s called a deterrent for his friends. Why would you want to dish out mercy? I’m never planning to start anything. Remember they are bringing it to you. Not the other way around. While they ponder I’ll be eating a sandwich
 
Don’t get me wrong. If they come to you as a man for help, and you can, you should. But if they come at you like a thug, you should wound them bad enough that they have a few minutes to ask god for forgiveness. But remember after you deal with the combatants you still have the families to help
 
If SHTF and I’m carrying a rifle around, I’m also gonna have a short 12ga slung too since why not at that point. Barrier issue solved
 
Picton said:
Maybe because you bought at 15 cpr and stockpiled several thousand rounds?

That might be a good reason.
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and if somebody else takes all that stash from you, what are you going to do? ammo should be an easily replenishable resource.
dunno, i do not see much sense in stocking up old soviet block calibers. it used to be time when it all was dirt cheap, but, it is now gone and done with. and it will be no more coming in.

nato calibers are more practical to stock up. and i try to do what is practical, only.
 
paul73 said:
and if somebody else takes all that stash from you, what are you going to do? ammo should be an easily replenishable resource.
dunno, i do not see much sense in stocking up old soviet block calibers. it used to be time when it all was dirt cheap, but, it is now gone and done with. and it will be no more coming in.

nato calibers are more practical to stock up. and i try to do what is practical, only.
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That's fine, man. You do you, I'll do me. Diff'rent strokes and all that.

Nobody can plan for every scenario. We all do our best and roll the dice.
 
fencer said:
really isn't a perfect shtf rifle
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absolutely that.

yet, well. SHTF is not that far away. if you were looking, and saw some footage slipped on TV from NC recent events, saw folks who open carry and others with rifles on their backs - we are in the situation where unexpected is way closer than one can think.
 
Picton said:
That's fine, man. You do you, I'll do me. Diff'rent strokes and all that.

Nobody can plan for every scenario. We all do our best and roll the dice.
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i saw enough of how easy is it to take stuff from people who think they were untouchable.
any resource only matters if it can be replenished. you do you, of course, whatever. want to invest into warsaw pact weaponry - go crazy.
 
paul73 said:
yep.
one mistake i did - i got too many uppers that require a buffer tube. anyone who got money now should stock up on piston uppers that are bufferless, and keep those uppers safely away.
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The SHTF scenario I'm mostly thinking is coming down the pike eventually is a serious hit to the 2A, I mean sure the other scenarios are always going to be there but like others said in apocalyptic situations it's a crap shoot on survival if and when it happens or not, you cannot prepare for everything as much as you want to try but there are too many variables at play.

It wouldn't surprise me if someday the Dems put some serious "emergency" orders in play to shut down the ability to obtain firearms or ammo, on a national level.
 
paul73 said:
yep.
one mistake i did - i got too many uppers that require a buffer tube. anyone who got money now should stock up on piston uppers that are bufferless, and keep those uppers safely away.
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I wish bufferless weren't so damn pricey.
Cheapest one is the Brownells one?
Like 1200 when not on sale
Cmmg 1500
 
SHOCKNAWE said:
Dems put some serious "emergency" orders in play to shut down the ability to obtain firearms
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so, buy what you cannot make yourself and keep it.
lowers can be made. any ammo can be made too. you just need proper tools and components.
unless new age commies will start busting doors and confiscating everything from everyone including presses and powders - that is possible too, of course, but, is not quite here yet.
just looking at how life goes forward - eventually it will probably get to a proper standoff and 'what kind of an American are you' thing, but, for now it is still safe to be ignorant.
 
headednorth said:
I got one for $445 shipped and then the same day found 10 surplus mags for $80 with free shipping.
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The $350 I paid was for the WASR, six mags in a nice modern carrier, and 500 rounds.

I still can't believe it.

ETA: Oh! And it was only about ten minutes from my house. [wave]
 
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What ever you feel comfortable with should be what you use. Remember to train with it though. Also get past talking tough and into preparing to be really tough. Thinking about shooting another human and actually doing it are different. Also the defender and offender have different requirements. Offensive usually needs 3-4 the amount of manpower to take a position.
 
Wow there's some serious prepper derangement syndrome/fudd lore in here...

First, Id bet my life that any decent quality rack grade AR (Knights Armament, Geissele, FN) from the manufacturer, not some f***ing stupid "build", will at the absolute very least go toe to toe with any combloc AK and absolutely destroy any US made AK when it comes to field reliability.

"Muh shtf" is an absolute fantasy held by a lot of people, including me for a long time, it is simply unrealistic.

A solar flare isnt going to knock out nightvision, it probably wont even dim the lights, sorry guys...

If you think all you need is a battle rifle and 5000 rounds and you're gonna run off to the woods with your wife and kids in f***ing suburban Massachusetts i got news for you.

If you're worried about this shit, you should probably focus on physical fitness, networking and training with likeminded people who are assets, storing up some basic supplies, and learning some basic level survival, infantry tasks, communications, etc.

Seriously all these doomer shtf scenarios are a joke, you need to be "prepping" for more civil unrest, more government, more wars, more crazy weather, stuff like that. If you think even in the worst case that you're gonna be shooting more than a few hundred rounds in any situation you're probably dreaming bros... gotta be honest with yourself.
 
Picton said:
$350 I paid was for the WASR
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anything that passes via any sort of the official registration most likely very-very soon will lose most if not all of its value anyway.
the new era of shovel AKs is coming back, again.
 
AllaSnackbah said:
Seriously all these doomer shtf scenarios are a joke, you need to be "prepping" for more civil unrest, more government, more wars, more crazy weather, stuff like that. If you think even in the worst case that you're gonna be shooting more than a few hundred rounds in any situation you're probably dreaming bros... gotta be honest with yourself.
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Ive posted this more than once on NES but a work friend of mine went through the war in Yugoslavia back in the day. We were talking about his experiences, prepping, etc and the subject of guns came up. He said he would need an AK, ONE tuna can and iirc 6 mags. (I know for sure it was less than 10 because it surprised me as an on-again/off-again mag hoarder) He spent more time talking about batteries, sugar, flour, hooking up some sort of small generator to a bicycle to power stuff for short periods of time, etc. Some horror stories, most of which were not even ballistically related. I came away from it feeling like bullets and bombs are the least of people's problems.

Him and another guy from Cambodia are preppers but they probably have never heard the term. To them its just common sense. Storing food, water and supplies is a way of life for them. They also have multiple generations either living under the same roof or within close proximity to each other, as opposed to the average American whose family is spread out all over the place.
 
AllaSnackbah said:
Wow there's some serious prepper derangement syndrome/fudd lore in here...

First, Id bet my life that any decent quality rack grade AR (Knights Armament, Geissele, FN) from the manufacturer, not some f***ing stupid "build", will at the absolute very least go toe to toe with any combloc AK and absolutely destroy any US made AK when it comes to field reliability.

"Muh shtf" is an absolute fantasy held by a lot of people, including me for a long time, it is simply unrealistic.

A solar flare isnt going to knock out nightvision, it probably wont even dim the lights, sorry guys...

If you think all you need is a battle rifle and 5000 rounds and you're gonna run off to the woods with your wife and kids in f***ing suburban Massachusetts i got news for you.

If you're worried about this shit, you should probably focus on physical fitness, networking and training with likeminded people who are assets, storing up some basic supplies, and learning some basic level survival, infantry tasks, communications, etc.

Seriously all these doomer shtf scenarios are a joke, you need to be "prepping" for more civil unrest, more government, more wars, more crazy weather, stuff like that. If you think even in the worst case that you're gonna be shooting more than a few hundred rounds in any situation you're probably dreaming bros... gotta be honest with yourself.
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I'd rather give you a snarky response and leave you thinking I was punking you off rather than openly agree with you but your spot on with this post.

But I don't know if any of us really know for sure about electronics in any type of EMP situation but sounds like some of you guys have researched it better than me
 
SHOCKNAWE said:
But I don't know if any of us really know for sure about electronics in any type of EMP situation but sounds like some of you guys have researched it better than me
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My takeaway about EMP is that it's not something I have to worry about. Any adversary with the will and capability to EMP us can also do much worse, and whatever they do with that EMP is going to be tied into a broader strategy of other kinds of strikes, both conventional and un-.

Either way, I suspect I won't be around long to worry about batteries.
 
SHOCKNAWE said:
I'd rather give you a snarky response and leave you thinking I was punking you off rather than openly agree with you but your spot on with this post.

But I don't know if any of us really know for sure about electronics in any type of EMP situation but sounds like some of you guys have researched it better than me
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to lose electricity you do not need an emp, a good earthquake will do, any good enough supply lines interruption will do. or just an old good act of sabotage.

there are plenty of already imported in individuals who can cause plenty of damage to this society and to electrical grid specifically as well, without EMPs or overly sophisticated weapons.
most of MA power is from the natural gas - do we have any local gas sources here? no. means it needs to be transferred here, somehow.
so, kill that 'how', drop powerlines from buffalo, create shortage of gasoline and enough panic - and it will be some amount of fun down here for sure, for quite some time.
 
and to those who does not care about history - that region of balkans and yugoslavia were at some time most prosperous regions down there in late 1980s, it was overall pretty stable and not too bad when soviet grip fell and people started building up their lives. and as they were getting stronger, it became an issue for brits and germans, as they could not afford to have a singular strong unified state in that area.
so, the only logical outcome there was - it had to be destroyed completely, broken into pieces, raze the whole region to its core, using same local muslim gangs in a same way as palestinians were used for decades.

so, because reasons - it is now destroyed, and it will be carefully maintained at the shithole status now by all the careful observants.

and, no one who lived there in 1970s-1980s - would never even dream that such thing would be possible. yet, it was done to them, with ease.
 
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