Ultimate SHTF rifle???

[fencer]

You can store enough batteries for something like an aimpoint on your rifle for literally years of runtime.

Yeah, that is what Reptile is storing batteries for. His "optics".

I love my ACOG, but I trust my irons.

 

[DarkJoker33]

Yeah, that is what Reptile is storing batteries for. His "optics".

I love my ACOG, but I trust my irons.

If an EMP does happen, I bet reptile will still find a way to post a for sale thread for his pre EMP ban batteries

 

[ddskehan]

If something happened tomorrow. I’d be staying in my town and revert to what I was in the service. Just doing it on my own time/reasons. I’m always going to be first and foremost an American soldier. My oath was lifelong not temporary. So watch out, LOL

 

[Tartakovsky]

If an EMP does happen, I bet reptile will still find a way to post a for sale thread for his pre EMP ban batteries

He’ll finally (maybe) sell those Noveske Chainsaw lowers

 

[DarkJoker33]

He’ll finally (maybe) sell those Noveske Chainsaw lowers

Doubt it.
His barter price is probably a house or something like that at that point

 

[Tartakovsky]

Doubt it.
His barter price is probably a house or something like that at that point

In SHTF scenario, houses are iron price

 

[btnh6668]

Good luck finding a wasr 10 for that money nowadays.

Not likely but you can still find them for 700-1000 if you are patient enough and look other places other than NES and Armslist. I just found a mak 90 for a friend of mine for $1200 when people here and on armslist are asking over 2000. Everyone can charge what they want but people are getting stupid with pricing. As someone who truly loves 2nd amendment and our community, I would rather make 200 bucks and give a fellow shooter a chance to own a nice rifle. I personally don't believe in taking advantage of people for a cause a truly believe in. You can make a profit without raping someone. I sold my galil ace for 100 below market value and sold my Saiga for 300 below what it sells for on gunbroker. Took a hit on one and made out well in the other. Either way both had smiles on their face and bought a rifle for a fair price. I don't just talk a big game in regards to gun ownership. I put my money where my mouth is. To each their own.

 

[btnh6668]

If SHTF and I’m carrying a rifle around, I’m also gonna have a short 12ga slung too since why not at that point. Barrier issue solved

To me a lot of this has to do with how many people are with you. Id rather carry tons of mags rather than 2 larger guns IMO. If i am in a group perhaps someone else can have the shotgun so all your needs are met. Dispense roles within your group.

 

[Broc Tuah]

Those of you 'nam boomers who insist only anything over .30 cal can get it done, why do people hate on the ancient Springfields?

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Too heavy.
Not enough rails.
Doesn't come in battleworn cerakote.
Cant attach multiple lasers, sights, lights...
Somewhat of a POS rifle for what it costs.

 

[Picton]

Too heavy.
Not enough rails.
Somewhat of a POS rifle for what it costs.

4. There are better choices available, like the FAL or the G3. A modern PTR91 or C308 gives you a robust, lightweight, reliable battle rifle whose magazines cost about twelve dollars, with spare parts that are cheap and plentiful (though you hardly need any, since the operating system is so simple). In that world, there's zero good argument that ends with an M1A being a superior SHTF platform.

 

[nordic alien]

my fnal carbine: compact, 20 rd mags of 308

 

[APFSDS]

What do you do for night vision in an environment where an EMP has occurred powerful enough to fry everyone's shit?

That situation is going to be so dire that the function of your NVD is going to be the least of your concerns. At that point, you're posting lookouts so you can sleep, relying on your knife, and trying to find water that won't kill you.

I keep mine in an EMP bag when it's not in use, although as stated previously electronics usually need to be connected to a large collector (i.e. miles of power lines) to be affected by EMP.

On the left is my "best bang for your buck" SHTF rifle. It's a compromise, good enough to be reliable and accurate but not overly spendy so I can buy other things that are honestly probably more important in a SHTF situation like food storage, water purification, medical supplies, comms, suppressors and NODs. Passive NV capabilities and flash/noise suppression are key IMHO, as well as compactness for operating from vehicles and to be more easily concealable. When I got this rifle (2013 ish) I saw some testing that showed that 12.5" was the best compromise 5.56 SBR length, but I think newer testing shows 11.5 might be a bit better for compactness vs. muzzle velocity. BCM 12.5" upper with holosun AEMS core, streamlight polytac with IR filter, primary arms magnifier, S&W lower. Not shown is my curtis tactical brake-mount suppressor. The other rifle is another free state SBR, my 10.5" PDW. My MA friendly setup is a ruger PCC with holosun HS403, cheapie LAM/light module and a flash hider.

I have taken quite a bit of training (pistol/rifle/CQB/buddy team stuff, FoF) but it has been a while. Once my move back to NC is done I am taking more team classes with some friends. I also keep my fitness at a decent level, I lift weights and hike several times a week. Both of those are going to be more important than what brand your rifle is in SHTF IMHO.

 

[Broc Tuah]

So much EMP fapping going on

 

[G4Y4HK]

So much EMP fapping going on

Yeah didn't we sprinkle some magic dust from the air or otherwise tiny little EMP devices on Baghdad and knock out all their power lines before the invasion, what was that stuff?

I'm completely FUKKKD if an EMP knocks out my carry pistol. I'm trusting my life to my Horroson dot, without backup cowitness lol.

 

[Dcdr]

Depending on how bad SHTF in this thought experiment, the “best” rifle may a lever 22 with tube mag

 

[ddskehan]

We used directional emps on tomahawks. They now mount those things on drones. You can also make small handheld ones if you want to kill a phone in someone’s pocket. Just saying

 

[ddskehan]

66668, I’d love to outfit people on the cheap but yeah here it comes. Someone with the money, time, patience and forethought. To invest and buy these weapons doesn’t owe the drunk, stupid and ignorant anything. Just like the guy who eats Ramin noodles so he can fix up a house doesn’t sell it cheap. Unless those people learn by their mistakes they will never grow. To sum it up, don’t sell what you can’t replace cheap, unless it’s your old wife

 

[AllaSnackbah]

So much EMP fapping going on

So many comments from people who've never carried a full loadout of 762x51/39 up a hill with a sense of urgency...




Also wait.... are century arms WASRs actually considered quality in 2024????

Anybody considering actually buying one of those trash heaps for more than $300 needs to do a post history search on this forum and see how all the AK guys who are now recommending WASRs regarded WASR's in like 2010.... same gun, same, if not worse quality...

 

[ddskehan]

I don’t know I LOVE A SNACKBAR, The wasr I have listed is straight like a laser. It’s got for sure one ugly finish but it’s straight. Overgassed why yes, yes it is. Most are though and the furniture sucks. That’s the first thing people change anyways

 

[Broc Tuah]

WASR are a POS. @AllaSnackbah is right. People on NES used to laugh at people buying WASR.

 

[ddskehan]

For all the options I recommend to new shooters Zastava or a wbp fox

 

[Mesatchornug]

4. There are better choices available, like the FAL or the G3. A modern PTR91 or C308 gives you a robust, lightweight, reliable battle rifle whose magazines cost about twelve dollars, with spare parts that are cheap and plentiful (though you hardly need any, since the operating system is so simple). In that world, there's zero good argument that ends with an M1A being a superior SHTF platform.

The best thing about the M14 is that without it we would never get to the M16.

 

[Picton]

Also wait.... are century arms WASRs actually considered quality in 2024????

Anybody considering actually buying one of those trash heaps for more than $300 needs to do a post history search on this forum and see how all the AK guys who are now recommending WASRs regarded WASR's in like 2010.... same gun, same, if not worse quality...

Who here said WASRs were the end-all be-all?

They work every time and they're always the cheapest AK. That's all we're saying. FWIW, I keep my WASR around in case I'm E&Eing during the boogaloo and I find some kind of bystander I can persuade to watch my house while I'm gone. I'll leave that dude the WASR.

 

[Broc Tuah]

The best thing about the M14 is that without it we would never get to the M16.

M18 for the win.

 

[Picton]

M18 for the win.

You mean AR18?

That thing ROCKS.

 

[Broc Tuah]

You mean AR18?

That thing ROCKS.

No. I meant M18

 

[drgrant]

For all the options I recommend to new shooters Zastava or a wbp fox

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[AllaSnackbah]

Who here said WASRs were the end-all be-all?

They work every time and they're always the cheapest AK. That's all we're saying. FWIW, I keep my WASR around in case I'm E&Eing during the boogaloo and I find some kind of bystander I can persuade to watch my house while I'm gone. I'll leave that dude the WASR.

But they dont work every time. A lot of the time they are pieces of absolute trash. Bent sights, feeding issues, inaccurate. Why the hell would anyone buy a WASR AK for whatever the absurdly inflated going rate for them is when even the lower grade AR15s exist? Ive owned/own several AKs, Arsenal, Saiga, WASR, Riley, KUSA, and ive shot all the "high teir" stuff like rifle dynamics, etc... You cant convince me a WASR AK, or any AK, is more reliable than even a PSA out the box AR15. Because they're not.

And if thats not enough... they're not accurate, there's no ammo, no parts. If you're an ak enthusiast i get it, i like them too, but lets be honest with ourselves.

 

[Picton]

But they dont work every time. A lot of the time they are pieces of absolute trash. Bent sights, feeding issues, inaccurate. Why the hell would anyone buy a WASR AK for whatever the absurdly inflated going rate for them is when even the lower grade AR15s exist? Ive owned/own several AKs, Arsenal, Saiga, WASR, Riley, KUSA... You cant convince me a WASR AK is more reliable than even a PSA out the box AR15. Because they're not.

Okay.

 

[Tartakovsky]

Too heavy.
Not enough rails.
Doesn't come in battleworn cerakote.
Cant attach multiple lasers, sights, lights...
Somewhat of a POS rifle for what it costs.

It alerts everyone that your clip is empty with a very audible PING and yes, it IS a clip in this scenario, grammar nazis.