Ultimate SHTF rifle???

LakeTrout said:
You’re carrying a BCG in your combat loadout? May I ask where you’re stashing it? Is there a Molle BCG pouch or are you just walking around with it in your cargos?
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This thought reminds me of internet troll “Gunkid” back in the 90s talking about carrying a .22 conversion kit for the AR in his cargo pocket. lol. One of many blindingly stupid ideas, like the assault wheelbarrow, that he had.

Some of you take this larping too seriously. I’m going out with tannerite plates and pockets full of pennies to my end spectacular.
 
tuna said:
This thought reminds me of internet troll “Gunkid” back in the 90s talking about carrying a .22 conversion kit for the AR in his cargo pocket. lol. One of many blindingly stupid ideas, like the assault wheelbarrow, that he had.

Some of you take this larping too seriously. I’m going out with tannerite plates and pockets full of pennies to my end spectacular.
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to carry bcg with you is frankly a bit too much, but, if i would fly to hunt somewhere, and would take an AR with me - i would have a spare BCG in the bag. especially with an ar10 in 6.5cm that is a quite hi pressure.
but, if you buy a decent quality bolts, the chances for them to fall apart are not too high. in a long run, though, not to have any spares is quite stupid.
 
tuna said:
This thought reminds me of internet troll “Gunkid” back in the 90s talking about carrying a .22 conversion kit for the AR in his cargo pocket. lol. One of many blindingly stupid ideas, like the assault wheelbarrow, that he had.

Some of you take this larping too seriously. I’m going out with tannerite plates and pockets full of pennies to my end spectacular.
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CMMG 22 conversion plus a binary trigger is a ridiculous amount of fun. Cheap suppressive fire.

Now that I think of it, I'm all about the entertainment value of SHTF. Not much fun in decommissioning the bad guys with only one shot. 22LR is the way to go. I'm all about getting the most from my targets. Hopefully the internet won't be broken so I can start a youtube channel like the guys who post praire dog shoots.
 
LakeTrout said:
How’s the support hand karate chop grip working for you when you are rocking it as far away from new gun owners as you possibly can be? I haven’t tried that grip yet. But I did achieve a yellow stripe on my white belt when I was 13. So I also have no time for amateur newbies.
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haha, missed that... The karate chop is preferred when using the barricade to stabilize the rifle. My hand was on the barricade and on the hand guard.

All the cool kids are doing it now...
 
chris_1001 said:
The karate chop is preferred
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no. just no on so many levels, gosh. rtfm.
nothing shows better that person never shot a full auto rifle.
only a bit better than a 'no contact grip' for bench shooters, to use a syringe to pull the trigger.

ps. and where the F is the sling on that picture?
 
Mountain said:
CMMG 22 conversion plus a binary trigger is a ridiculous amount of fun. Cheap suppressive fire.

Now that I think of it, I'm all about the entertainment value of SHTF. Not much fun in decommissioning the bad guys with only one shot. 22LR is the way to go. I'm all about getting the most from my targets. Hopefully the internet won't be broken so I can start a youtube channel like the guys who post praire dog shoots.
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Actually, a .22 isn't such a bad idea for SHTF. I'm thinking my kid's unused Chipmunk single shot. 16" barrel and very accurate. Quiet enough not to disturb the farmer when I brain shoot the cow/goat/sheep/horse to cut off a leg and run like hell.

Again, not much use in a firefight - but for the non combat days of the post apocalypse, it would be a good food getter.

I want my combat role in the end times to be less noisy anyway. I want to be the designated knife / garrote man for sentry removal so we can disable the alarms before the main assault. I'd use a combination sleeping pill/aspirin/laxative/viagra I've perfected mixed into hamburger/cheese stabilized with bacon grease to take care of the dogs.
 
paul73 said:
no. just no on so many levels, gosh. rtfm.
nothing shows better that person never shot a full auto rifle.
only a bit better than a 'no contact grip' for bench shooters, to use a syringe to pull the trigger.

ps. and where the F is the sling on that picture?
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it was just a quick way to stabilize it after a left to right transition, I'm sure I did not even think about it, its not really a technique at all. I just knew I wanted to take advantage of the barricade.

so that was a joke

I have shot full auto.

No need for a sling, I was on the move. I actually took the sling off for the match so it was in my bag.
 
tuna said:
Actually, a .22 isn't such a bad idea for SHTF. I'm thinking my kid's unused Chipmunk single shot. 16" barrel and very accurate. Quiet enough not to disturb the farmer when I brain shoot the cow/goat/sheep/horse to cut off a leg and run like hell.

Again, not much use in a firefight - but for the non combat days of the post apocalypse, it would be a good food getter.

I want my combat role in the end times to be less noisy anyway. I want to be the designated knife / garrote man for sentry removal so we can disable the alarms before the main assault. I'd use a combination sleeping pill/aspirin/laxative/viagra I've perfected mixed into hamburger/cheese stabilized with bacon grease to take care of the dogs.
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Don't lie- how much of those burgers will actually be left for the dogs?
 
Broc Tuah said:
Better spend the money training.

You wont be in a battle replacing a BCG. [rofl]

I can picture it now... "f*ck, in which pocket is the BCG?" ... "mother f*cker, I cant find it ..." ... "found it, f*cking snacks were on top" ... "sh*t, now this f*cking pin is stuck"... "sweet, pin is unstuck ... oh f*ck why cant I open it?" ... "my bolt is stuck back" ... 💀 🪦

(Dead Chris gets teabagged)
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And for the first time ever………..











He wishes he WAS…….. “That Chris.”
🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
chris_1001 said:
It would just get in the way, some stages I had to shoot left handed. Speed and accuracy.
At no time would I have the rifle slung while on a stage.
I'm not using it for accuracy (most targets are less then 100 yards... So why have it in the way?
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what happens on those matches and what demented ROs establish as 'safety' norm there - frankly, i would not care less of any of that shit.
i got that beaten into me when i was 18yr old, i still remember quite fine of what it is, how it needs to work, and it is same in pretty much any modern armed force on this planet.

rifle has a sling, sling has it purposes and uses, it is not optional, rifle does not follow you behind on little footsies by itself. but, whatever. do what you want, it is a free country.

 
Broc Tuah said:
Speak for yourself. I am also carrying a small furnace, 2lbs of lead, a bullet mold a hand priming tool and some powder. Don't need brass because there will be plenty laying around.

I will cast and reload my ammo during the fight.
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Lee loader in 223 and 45 acp are in my so called bug out bag. I forgot to add some lead, powder and primers. Lol
 
paul73 said:
what happens on those matches and what demented ROs establish as 'safety' norm there - frankly, i would not care less of any of that shit.
i got that beaten into me when i was 18yr old, i still remember quite fine of what it is, how it needs to work, and it is same in pretty much any modern armed force on this planet.

rifle has a sling, sling has it purposes and uses, it is not optional, rifle does not follow you behind on little footsies by itself. but, whatever. do what you want, it is a free country.

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I mean, there are very few things in this world they are absolute. And choosing to use a sling or not during a match is definitely not absolute.

As he mentioned, that competition did not require a sling for off-hand accuracy, and it was not necessary for retention. For PRS too, not necessary for accuracy and not necessary for retention.
 
PappyM3 said:
I mean, there are very few things in this world they are absolute. And choosing to use a sling or not during a match is definitely not absolute.

As he mentioned, that competition did not require a sling for off-hand accuracy, and it was not necessary for retention. For PRS too, not necessary for accuracy and not necessary for retention.
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may be.
i am just not really that much into sports aspects of all this, and in PRS - the major thing there is to religiously insert something shiny into the open action (because reasons) when you are done, but they do not seem to care much of how people actually move with all the shit they need to carry around from one shooting point to another. to me it was quite fun to watch, and not too fun to do, to be honest.

if somebody wants to run around with no sling and do karate chop holds - sure, why not. hope his trigger will not malfunction with rifle going into full auto with no firm grip on the front.

same as muzzle swiping. so much shit spilled about it, it is just pathetic. i just envision someone in a squad saying - no, i REFUSE to execute your illegal command, as i may accidentally muzzle swipe my esteemed colleague on the left flank! :) meh.
 
PappyM3 said:
I mean, there are very few things in this world they are absolute. And choosing to use a sling or not during a match is definitely not absolute.

As he mentioned, that competition did not require a sling for off-hand accuracy, and it was not necessary for retention. For PRS too, not necessary for accuracy and not necessary for retention.
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Not to mention, some matches prohibit slings.
 
paul73 said:
it was always a mystery to me who comes up with such ideas and what kind of a hangover was responsible for that, but, well. to each their own.
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You mentioned muzzle swiping… I’ve found people are more likely to flag other people inadvertently when they have their rifle slung. When it’s not slung, they’re more conscientious of keeping it pointed down range until it’s racked/tabled.

It’s a range-ism, but we have lots of range-isms in this sport for good reasons.
 
PappyM3 said:
in this sport for good reasons.
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it is not a sin to swipe, it is a sin to shoot down somebody as you were never trained on how to swipe correctly.
range-isms is a good word. not everything from combat training belongs to a range. but pretty much nothing from the range belongs to the combat, or even a regular hunt.

dunno. i do not like to be swiped, but i do not freak out when it`s done by somebody who overall seems to appear confident in what he does and handles the weapon.

contrary to somebody who shrieks like a banshee from 50yds away at you when you are alone in the pits, as poor darling is absolutely positive you were swiping him bad from that distance.
 
PappyM3 said:
You mentioned muzzle swiping… I’ve found people are more likely to flag other people inadvertently when they have their rifle slung. When it’s not slung, they’re more conscientious of keeping it pointed down range until it’s racked/tabled.

It’s a range-ism, but we have lots of range-isms in this sport for good reasons.
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Right. It's a game. There's a limit to simulationism based on the actual and perceived abilities of competitors.

Some will be very early in their journey. Reducing cognitive load so they can take part helps accelerate their learning in a world where their very generous uncle, Sam, isn't around to give them 6-8 weeks of directed training.

Demanding everyone to be Master level shooters before they show up is a great way to ensure the game dies before it starts. Expecting everyone to carry themselves as though they served (especially under a foreign paradigm) is another.
 
Mesatchornug said:
It's a game
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so players should restrict themselves to games and not pretend they are building SHTF things or assume they know how to counteract targets that are not made out of paper and will actually shoot back at them, and possibly from more than one direction, simultaneously.

and then they will discover a magical meaning of the sling, and why you need a free left arm when you crawl out on 3 tentacles from one position to an another, maintaining control of your rifle.
 
paul73 said:
so players should restrict themselves to games and not pretend they are building SHTF things or assume they know how to counteract targets that are not made out of paper and will actually shoot back at them, and possible from more than one direction, simultaneously.

and then they will discover a magical meaning of the sling, and why you need a free left arm when you crawl out on 3 tentacles from one position to an another, maintaining control of your rifle.
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Completely agreed.

Games are games, and should be treated as such.

If you want to train for whatever LARP fantasy you dream of, you'll take classes and do your own work for that purpose.

Each has its purpose, for good or ill. Pretending anything can be all things to all people remains a fool's errand.
 
paul73 said:
rifle has a sling, sling has it purposes and uses, it is not optional, rifle does not follow you behind on little footsies by itself. but, whatever. do what you want, it is a free country.
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All my AR-15's and AR-9's have a dedicated sling. I did not want or need a sling for that match. I wanted to go fast and not suck...

paul73 said:
if somebody wants to run around with no sling and do karate chop holds - sure, why not. hope his trigger will not malfunction with rifle going into full auto with no firm grip on the front.
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Weird barricade hold agree, but worked just fine for me that one moment. Some matches you can sling a rifle and not have to bag it between stages. I have done that and it blows to carry it around for hours only to shoot for minuets.

I have also trained with a fully loaded hot and slung rifle many times...

Just cant have a loaded gun in a match between stages.

Mesatchornug said:
Not to mention, some matches prohibit slings.
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I don't think I've ever seen a no sling policy at a match

PappyM3 said:
You mentioned muzzle swiping… I’ve found people are more likely to flag other people inadvertently when they have their rifle slung. When it’s not slung, they’re more conscientious of keeping it pointed down range until it’s racked/tabled.
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Yup ^

Is this a better grip?? Same stage...


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just before I transitioned to the karate chop

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