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Len, we understand.FOLKS:
I've had a number of requests for the username/password/website to login to Phase I and other NRA Training Emails.
Sorry but I won't forward NRA Training Emails. You'll have to contact NRA Training directly and request that they re-send it, square away whatever the problem is. I don't have time or desire to try to vet who is and who isn't an NRA Instructor for BP and entitled to the Emails.
I hope you understand.
So it's up and running! 60 smackers!
The real question is WHAT CAN WE CHARGE and still sleep at night?
Insurance
room
range
ammo
targets
etc
Len, we understand.
The f***ing [email protected] is ignoring emails for several days.
What I really wonder, if I can recall my NRA life membership, and get full reimbursement from this USELESS organization! I would happily redirect all these money to GOAL and Com2A.
The cost is prohibitive.. We still bear the burden for range time, liability. I donate teaching for all the "on the fencers".. Hearts and minds and all that.. It's sub minimum wage fully factored in. Also... I use the classroom to vett the students. Someone who's going to be a problem will never get to the range portion of the class. This is the main reason this terrifies the poop out of me.
From what I understand, one can license the MA Chief's course from Chief Glidden (ret) for $25 one time fee.
I am still planning on creating the open source pistol class, just because I like that name. When I have it ready I will post the outline for review in the standard Linux open source tradition and welcome contributions before I submit it for MSP certification as an approved course. I will be charging exactly $0.00 to anyone wishing to use the course materials or teach a course under the approval number (not yet applied for).
The NRA imprimatur on a class means very little in the DPRM where the "MA BFS Certification" means everything with respect to licensing.
From what I understand, one can license the MA Chief's course from Chief Glidden (ret) for $25 one time fee.
I am still planning on creating the open source pistol class, just because I like that name. When I have it ready I will post the outline for review in the standard Linux open source tradition and welcome contributions before I submit it for MSP certification as an approved course. I will be charging exactly $0.00 to anyone wishing to use the course materials or teach a course under the approval number (not yet applied for).
The NRA imprimatur on a class means very little in the DPRM where the "MA BFS Certification" means everything with respect to licensing.
Thank you. I don't understand what you mean by, "I will post the outline for review in the standard Linux open source tradition," mostly because I'm not computer savvy. I will be glad to contribute $$ or anything else that may help you.
Open source software is typically written by one person or a small team. The source code is then published for anyone to read, or use for free. The authors generally have a process for incorporating any improvements users of the software make to the source into future open (ie, free) releases.Thank you. I don't understand what you mean by, "I will post the outline for review in the standard Linux open source tradition," mostly because I'm not computer savvy. I will be glad to contribute $$ or anything else that may help you.
Open source software is typically written by one person or a small team. The source code is then published for anyone to read, or use for free. The authors generally have a process for incorporating any improvements users of the software make to the source into future open (ie, free) releases.
There will be no contribution of dollars. This is a FREE effort. Free means free. Nobody pays a thing - though I may have to spring for the postage to mail the course application into the MSP for approval.
The idea is for the source material to be reviewed by many before it is submitted for approval.Doesn't it have to be substantially fixed (like unchangeable) before it gets approved by the SP?
Or put another way, any subsequent changes can supplement, but not replace, the course as approved by the SP, or it'd need to get re-approved.
Do I understand that correctly?
Maybe Rob can send you a copy translated to Sanskrit and you can send him back your comments on a stone tablet!
Taught a class last sunday, explained to the students what the NRA was doing, explained to them that they don't get the student packet or an NRA certificate. The class was the same the students walked away happy. They did think it was kind of greedy of the NRA, but you all know that.
I run Basic Pistol for friends and other people close to me as they ask for it. So now I have to send them through all this crap online and have them pay the NRA, whereas before, they got the course for the cost of ammo from me directly. And on top of that I have to publicly list my course on the NRA site so people can even get the validation for the in person part of the class? This sucks. I'm glad the material is well put together, but the process sucks.
AFAIK you do NOT have to accept every potential student that contacts you even with this new system.
We'll need to see how this shakes out and if they make any changes to it over time.
I have to publicly list my course on the NRA site so people can even get the validation for the in person part of the class?
Where did you read that? I've never listed my classes online, and haven't seen anything yet that will require me to do so under the blended learning format. Maybe I missed a nuance?
Unless they change it, when you register a class it asks if you want it public or not. If private the only way people will see it is if they have the URL. You must submit your reports via the online listing, so you do have to register the courses online . . . they just don't need to be public.
From what I understand, one can license the MA Chief's course from Chief Glidden (ret) for $25 one time fee.
I'm going thru the Phase I course, just like a student would. It is long and tedious but very well done. I can only take 1 lesson at a setting (~1 hour). IIRC they said all 11 lessons take ~8 hours and that is before they meet up with the instructor who is supposed to spend another 3+ hours with them (I forget if that included the shooting drills or not). I question the ability of a newbie with no experience trying to absorb so much info. One of the NRA Emails to instructors mentioned that NRA wouldn't charge the student more than $60 for the online portion.
So far I've done 2 lessons of the 11, more comments to follow.
I have the email with the link, log in name and password. I've tried from my computer at work and from my computer at home, and haven't had any luck getting in. Is it still available to us? can you still get in?
Thanks,
Carl
Yes, I just tried it and got in with no problem.