What did you do in the reloading room recently?

p.. said:
This is dense reading, but I think these pages are relevant.

14.3.7.1 (<20 lbs) seems to be at odds with MA 527 CMR 1.05 table 1.12.8.50 (<16 lbs). I imagine there are other discrepancies but I'm not dialed in on these documents yet. At least they agree on the primer limits in residences.

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I think you're viewing the 2018 version of the code? The MA code goes by the 2015 version which may explain the discrepancy.
 
jpm said:
I think you're viewing the 2018 version of the code? The MA code goes by the 2015 version which may explain the discrepancy.
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I think maybe MA CMR and NFPA just diverge on this point with MA being more restrictive (shocking!). Yes, that was 2018. I pulled up the previous NFPA 495 code from 2013 and see the same info on smokeless powder storage in residences.

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jpm said:
I just renewed my permit with the local FD and I checked out the NFPA 2015 code they go by in Mass. According to the code, you can have up to 10,000 primers without a permit or anything.

If you want over 10,000 primers, YOU NEED A STORAGE LICENSE not a permit. There is no permit that covers primers at all. And from what I could gather, licenses require specific methods of storage and inspections by the FD. So you need to think twice before packing your house to the gills with primers and no license to store them. If there is some kind of incident at your house, you could have legal trouble/fines. And if you have a claim, your insurance company will tell you to pound sand too. They'll use any reason to deny a claim.
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You won't likely get a "license" as the requirements for that are that you petition the selectmen/mayor/town manager and appear at a public hearing (which is broadcast and archived on your local cable TV website). They are the ones that will issue the license . . . or not! [This info came from my fire chief, who is a good guy and pro-2A.]
bigblue said:
I was more asking about what kind of storage is "appropriate" when the chief comes to inspect for a permit or license
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I had a permit from 1976 thru 2018 and was never inspected or quizzed more than the request for where stuff was stored, so in case of fire, they know where to throw more water.
chidiver said:
My concern has always been that if I get a permit/license, the fire department will just sit outside my house and watch it burn to the ground rather than putting forth any effort to extinguish the flames.
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I've been assured by 3 fire chiefs in my MA town that they are properly trained at the fire academy and this is not an issue. I can't speak for the training in any other states and have never had the opportunity to ask my NH fire chief about it.
 
Len-2A Training said:
You won't likely get a "license" as the requirements for that are that you petition the selectmen/mayor/town manager and appear at a public hearing (which is broadcast and archived on your local cable TV website). They are the ones that will issue the license . . . or not! [This info came from my fire chief, who is a good guy and pro-2A.]
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Interesting! Do you remember what the cost was? I'm guessing its at least a couple of hundred bucks.
 
chidiver said:
My concern has always been that if I get a permit/license, the fire department will just sit outside my house and watch it burn to the ground rather than putting forth any effort to extinguish the flames.
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They'll cut a hole, or holes, in your roof and pump in 16 million gallons of water.
 
I have a wood framed house and 250 gallons of diesel in my basement. The amount of reloading supplies stored is meaningless to the outcome of a house fire. People fearmongering over primers or powder is hilarious.

Dump an 8lb jug of powder out in a pile, throw 10,000 primers in it and light it on fire. It'll burn out in under 30sec. If you surrounded it with a small wood frame it's doubtful the wood even catches fire with that short exposure.

Now light a cup of diesel (heating oil) on fire. Figure out how much more dangerous that is for burning a house down.
 
xtry51 said:
I have a wood framed house and 250 gallons of diesel in my basement. The amount of reloading supplies stored is meaningless to the outcome of a house fire. People fearmongering over primers or powder is hilarious.

Dump an 8lb jug of powder out in a pile, throw 10,000 primers in it and light it on fire. It'll burn out in under 30sec. If you surrounded it with a small wood frame it's doubtful the wood even catches fire with that short exposure.

Now light a cup of diesel (heating oil) on fire. Figure out how much more dangerous that is for burning a house down.
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Yup. I got a 275 gallon tank in my basement. Though not for long. Hoping to switch to NG this year...
 
I always forget about that 275 gallon explosive in the basement. Immediately adjacent to the sump hole. I built a dam around the sump hole in the event that thing ever ruptured. I figure if I flood, I can just bust a hole through the concrete dam with a sledge. Last thing I need is the state coming in and taking over my house and charging me for cleanup. Pretty sure they do that at least.

Back on topic, I finished up ten .243 and then ten more with a bit more powder. Going to test them out and see what my gun likes. Also glad I sound proofed my hunting/fishing room. With the door closed, my wife can't hear me bashing ammo together with the Lee loader.
 
Like someone else here, I had a container of "fix or kill" bullets - my fckups and some range pickups.

Out of boredom and an unwillingness to simply throw them away, I disassembled them. Then I removed the depriming pin insert from my 9mm die, put it in a small vice, put the vice on the drill press, chucked up a piece of tubing, and pressed out the primers. A surprising amount of them came out looking reusable. I'm going to do a "special run" with them, loading practice ammo rather than competition ammo.
 
Some more shelves in progress. Alliant why you make ur JUGS so big even when u only fill them half way 🤔

I love free wood! Slowly making progress in mantown. Wife is like what the hell u doing down there all day. Well 5-6 hours I spend thinking of things to do and than an hr or two of actually working on it. Don’t wanna rush things. 57BD4B6A-F6B2-4300-9E31-553274690B88.jpeg
 
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Some more shelves in progress. Alliant why you make ur JUGS so big even when u only fill them half way 🤔

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Loving that 8 pound jug of sport pistol
 
xtry51 said:
I have a wood framed house and 250 gallons of diesel in my basement. The amount of reloading supplies stored is meaningless to the outcome of a house fire. People fearmongering over primers or powder is hilarious.
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One of the early plastics used to make fountain pens was celluloid. Celluloid is made from nitrocellulose. Sound familiar? Some pen collectors probably have several hundred celluloid pens from the early 20th century, and if you ever lit one of these on fire, it would burn fast and burn furiously. Never heard of an insurance company harassing a pen collector over their highly flammable collection. From a fire fighter's perspective, smokeless powder is like ground up fountain pens.
 
bigblue said:
Question for you guys: Who uses steel pins to tumble brass?

What’s the advantage? Do you use a normal tumbler? Still throw a little polish in there? Thoughts?
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Steel pins are for wet tumbling. They knock the carbon deposits loose and polish the surface of the brass. Without them, the cartridge cases themselves will polish the outsides of the cases fine, but there will still probably be light deposits inside the case and inside the flash hole because these spots are just being vigorously rinsed.
 

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