Does factory ammo close?
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What did you do in the reloading room recently?
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Yes, just my reloads don’t. I’ve had one or two that do, but that’s it.
My sizing die meets the ram when it’s up so it cams over, all cases are trimmed to 1.740-ish before sizing, and they stick up the tiniest fraction out of the case gauge, but I’m not sure how to get it any tighter if my sizing die is as far as it can go? It’s maybe 1/32 out the end of the gauge.
Still learning necked cases and the Lyman handbooks aren’t that detailed where it’s every little step, so not really sure what I’m doing
Gotta trim after sizing.
But you should still be able to close. I wouod get a set of chamber gauges. It sounds like your chamber may be short.
But you should still be able to close. I wouod get a set of chamber gauges. It sounds like your chamber may be short.
Is that different than a cartridge gauge?
That is what a full body size die is for. Screw it more in so it will shorten fire formed brass by a .002”.
If factory ammo closes on fine - set the die to press neck down to that exact size, fire it, measure neck again and set die to a .002” in. Simple enough process.
Once you fired and ran all brass through the die you can trim all cases to a same length.
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hijinx
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Finished my first brick of CCi primers and switched to the box of Unis primers. Made a small test batch to try out this weekend.
Sorry the proper term is headspace guages. They come in go and no go. There is a "field" version as well for mil use I believe? Others would have to chime in for that.
Just out of curiosity, is anyone here making their own .45 Super? Other than the needing the actual brass for .45 Super, what would I need to make it run in my Colt Competition 1911? What weight is the most optimal, 185 and Hornady XTP's and would 200 grain hardcast work as well? Could regular .45 ACP be used in a gun set up for .45 Super?
Someone on SH just listed their dasher reloading setup and it sold in 3 mins.
I'm pretty sure the only difference between plain old .45 acp and super is the amount of material in the webbing of the case head.
The outside dimensions are the same, but I'd verify that by way of specs. Can't tell you off the top of my head what books would have it, but it came out in the early 80's if I remember correctly.
185's and 200's will work, I think @whacko loads those.
There was a .45 super-mag, which I think was a rimless .45 winchester federal but thats about as exotic as they get for that.
I load alot of 185 and 200 grain lead swc but never in 45 super just 45acp.
I've actually never heard of 45 super.
I have a ton of wadcutters on the shelf been meaning to load up a bunch but I've been concentrating on 45acp and 44mag lately.....hell.....that reminds me I'm running low on 357 mag as well and should load some of that too.....
Only so many hours in a day.
Buddy of mine gave me these first time loading wad cutters see how they doI have a ton of wadcutters on the shelf been meaning to load up a bunch but I've been concentrating on 45acp and 44mag lately.....hell.....that reminds me I'm running low on 357 mag as well and should load some of that too.....
Only so many hours in a day.
38 Wadcutters are easy. Plenty of neck tension to hold em in place....when running the crimp just take the bell out so they fit in the cylinder.
38ExtraSpecial
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I haven’t loaded any wadcutters in years. They don’t run well in my 1873 and I don’t shoot the Marlin as much.
I think I’m going to load some
They make nice round holes...
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Also the 45 Winchester Magnum used in the LAR Grizzley 1911oid.
Thats what I was thinking of.
It was one of those things in the 80's where there was a mad rush to make the next big thing.
Right around the same time that alien movie came out that featured some dude using a 454 casull.
Imagine being some firearms designer/ gunsmith, ripping a like of blow and "I HAVE A GODDAM AWESOME IDEA!!!!" and away it went, but never really took off
Its .45 acp on mild steroids, with more meat in the web and reduced case capacity to push 230's up to or past the +P mark. Its before the .400 corbon stuff and whatever else people tried to neck down.
Pretty interesting articles out there on it-
BBTI - Ballistics by the Inch :: .45 Super Results
(statement of intent)
Im sure @Michael J. Spangler probably has some old handloading/guns and ammo mags with articles.
38ExtraSpecial
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Might have a little info on it. There was also the 451 Detonics which was cut down .308 or 30-06 reamed out. Heavy brass to push basically 45 super loads.It was one of those things in the 80's where there was a mad rush to make the next big thing.
Right around the same time that alien movie came out that featured some dude using a 454 casull.
Imagine being some firearms designer/ gunsmith, ripping a like of blow and "I HAVE A GODDAM AWESOME IDEA!!!!" and away it went, but never really took off
Its .45 acp on mild steroids, with more meat in the web and reduced case capacity to push 230's up to or past the +P mark. Its before the .400 corbon stuff and whatever else people tried to neck down.
Pretty interesting articles out there on it-
BBTI - Ballistics by the Inch :: .45 Super Results
(statement of intent)www.ballisticsbytheinch.com
Im sure @Michael J. Spangler probably has some old handloading/guns and ammo mags with articles.
Then the all mighty 460 Rowland. Case is 1/16” longer but loaded to the same oal as 45 ACP. It runs pressure like the 44 mag.
Conversions are done on glocks, 1911s M&Ps. You can ream out a 625 revolver 1/16” deeper and run the 460 Rowland in it. Moon clipped of course
Thats not a bad idea. The cylinders aren't difficult to switch out.
Is your press designed to “cam” over?
Its time to actually see what is wrong with the brass.
Most cartridge gauges only show head space and case length.
Seeing you bottom out your die and adjust to “cam” over its possible your pushing the shoulder down and bulging the area just where the shoulder and case body meet,
Also could have been shot from a very loose chamber and you need what is called a small base die which will get deeper down the case body/web area
Honeslty though if you where able to get the primers out and reuse , toss that brass.
223 brass even now is not hard to come by.
So break out the calipers and start checking the brass the best you can
200rds of locally grown 45acp goodness .
pastera
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Great work but that seating die ring is killing me...
Im more bothered by the fact that i mixed Fed brass with Win brass. And got a couple spp brass in the mix which slowed things down a bit.
That spp crap gets tossed on rt24 in hopes of getting lodged in someones tires .
That spp crap gets tossed on rt24 in hopes of getting lodged in someones tires .
Did you tumble them first? I've picked up outdoor range brass from mud puddles that looked better than that brass.
pastera
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If you are around 24 you're not too far
A couple of my designs:
45 ACP Bullet Seating Die by pastera
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As far as SPP 45ACP - smashing it gleefully with a hammer isn't a horrible enough death for it.
In a primer shortage world, having LPP and SPP brass may not be a bad ideaI shot my SPP brass 45 ACP reloads this week
I just keep them separated from the LPP.
