Would you rather...

[allen-1]

The only trade off I see being beneficial would be this. They get universal background checks we get national reciprocity plus a federal preemption law. A standard that would bring ban states in line with federal law. This is of course a pipe dream.

No.

As mentioned before, national reciprocity would set up a standard based on more rather than less stringent gun control states requirements. I can clearly visualize Murphy and Blumenthal pounding the pulpit saying that they're not entering an agreement unless all states have the same requirements as theirs.

I cannot say clearly enough that residents of states like Massachusetts and Connecticut are so used to the restrictions placed upon their lives through gun control laws that they are shocked when they move to free states.

If you want a carry permit - CT requires an approved gun handling course. Some towns require reference letters. Many require an interview with the police chief. Then of course you do have the fairly standard requirements that you get photographed, finger printed and run through NICS. Which can literally take months, depending upon the town/state.

I walked into Probate court down here, provided my driver's license as ID, had my pic taken, had my fingerprints taken, filled out the app. 8 days later I had my GA weapons permit.

I'm getting ready to go summer in CT, and I've got at least 7 rifles and 3 pistols that are perfectly legal here that I can't bring into CT. Not to mention the 50+ "high capacity" magazines that can't be brought up there.

As I write this, there are no children in my house, (other than me on my third childhood). There's a G43X sitting in an opened micro-vault in the bedroom. There's a G17 in my knapsack. I shot a match yesterday and left my range bag on the bench in the garage - that's two more unsecured handguns.

"Proper" national reciprocity in my eyes would simply be "If your state of residence has issued you a weapons permit - we'll honor it" - just like a driver's license. I don't see that happening.

 

[HARRYM]

I am by no means advocating for increased background checks, BUT if TPTB were to pass the bill that the house voted on and an amendment was added for national reciprocity, is that a trade off people would be willing to make? I know most of us would say that the BGCs are pointless and an infringement, but as a hypothetical, I’m curious where people would stand on this.

So,"reasonable" restrictions you say. Well "reasonable" "trade-offs" and the like are the proverbial slope that all Leftists want us to stand on. It won't "end" anything. There will always be another "sensible" gun law. Always another "trade-off"

I'm old enough to remember the 1968 gun law when they came after ALL handguns. It was close. It was after that when the Left picked up on we only want dangerous guns removed, sensible, reasonable, trade-offs, don't worry, aren't after your guns, common sense and whatever else they could think of to get the masses to take the bait.

People will each need to decide what hill they choose to fight on but if you pick the hill of reasonable, sensible you will eventually lose all of your 2A rights.

 

[Medicine Man]

No.

As mentioned before, national reciprocity would set up a standard based on more rather than less stringent gun control states requirements. I can clearly visualize Murphy and Blumenthal pounding the pulpit saying that they're not entering an agreement unless all states have the same requirements as theirs.

I cannot say clearly enough that residents of states like Massachusetts and Connecticut are so used to the restrictions placed upon their lives through gun control laws that they are shocked when they move to free states.

If you want a carry permit - CT requires an approved gun handling course. Some towns require reference letters. Many require an interview with the police chief. Then of course you do have the fairly standard requirements that you get photographed, finger printed and run through NICS. Which can literally take months, depending upon the town/state.

I walked into Probate court down here, provided my driver's license as ID, had my pic taken, had my fingerprints taken, filled out the app. 8 days later I had my GA weapons permit.

I'm getting ready to go summer in CT, and I've got at least 7 rifles and 3 pistols that are perfectly legal here that I can't bring into CT. Not to mention the 50+ "high capacity" magazines that can't be brought up there.

As I write this, there are no children in my house, (other than me on my third childhood). There's a G43X sitting in an opened micro-vault in the bedroom. There's a G17 in my knapsack. I shot a match yesterday and left my range bag on the bench in the garage - that's two more unsecured handguns.

"Proper" national reciprocity in my eyes would simply be "If your state of residence has issued you a weapons permit - we'll honor it" - just like a driver's license. I don't see that happening.

We already had national reciprocity. We let them take it away.

 

[jkelly1229]

I can think of a trade off I would support...

Repeal the NFA and GCA. I'm exchange we'll agree to a nationwide magazine capacity limit of 100 rounds.

Belts aren't included though.... can't be changing belts every hundred rounds

 

[240Geezer]

How bout no.
There is no “compromise” with people stealing our rights.
Steal them it’s on them give them away it’s on us.

 

[42!]

So even with all three, the proposed version couldn't pass, and we're to think it might in some other e.g. our current configuration? I'll have some of whatever you're on, it must be great.

And yet another correction.
It was never brought up for a vote, remember that filibuster thing that's working for us right now? Well it can work against us as well. There is a big difference between not voted on and voted down. Some have said that the very reason they combined the reciprocity with fix nics was so the Dems, who wanted fix nics would fight the bill BECAUSE it had reciprocity. Personally I didn't have any major issues with the fix nics the way it was, but somehow people were convinced it would add restrictions, which it didn't.

 

[kalash]

But mah belt-feds

I said "magazine", not "feeding device"

I like this compromise. There could be another one: Go to "Constitutional Carry" (no licensing) everywhere, and in exchange, there can be a "NICS check" at purchase time. This needs to be instant, and defaults to "buy" if a delay.

I would not take that deal. The only way to enforce that would be to create a national registry - hard pass.

 

[John42056]

So,"reasonable" restrictions you say. Well "reasonable" "trade-offs" and the like are the proverbial slope that all Leftists want us to stand on. It won't "end" anything. There will always be another "sensible" gun law. Always another "trade-off"

I'm old enough to remember the 1968 gun law when they came after ALL handguns. It was close. It was after that when the Left picked up on we only want dangerous guns removed, sensible, reasonable, trade-offs, don't worry, aren't after your guns, common sense and whatever else they could think of to get the masses to take the bait.

People will each need to decide what hill they choose to fight on but if you pick the hill of reasonable, sensible you will eventually lose all of your 2A rights.

I don’t think I said anything was reasonable. But given the possibility of the current bill passing, it was more of a question of whether given the choice of how the bill is now or with national reciprocity, would it be more palatable.

 

[Drix]

I am by no means advocating for increased background checks, BUT if TPTB were to pass the bill that the house voted on and an amendment was added for national reciprocity, is that a trade off people would be willing to make? I know most of us would say that the BGCs are pointless and an infringement, but as a hypothetical, I’m curious where people would stand on this.

Nope.

Why do I keep having to make compromises?

 

[Coyote33]

I said "magazine", not "feeding device"



I would not take that deal. The only way to enforce that would be to create a national registry - hard pass.

We have NICS now. Is there a national registry now?

 

[Brewer]

We have NICS now. Is there a national registry now?

From federal regs:

The NICS Audit Log will record the following information: type of transaction (inquiry or response), line number, time, date of inquiry, header, message key, ORI, and inquiry/response data (including the name and other identifying information about the prospective transferee and the NTN). In cases of allowed transfers, all information in the NICS Audit Log related to the person or the transfer, other than the NTN assigned to the transfer and the date the number was assigned, will be destroyed after not more than 90 days after the transfer is allowed. NICS Audit Log records relating to denials will be retained for 10 years, after which time they will be transferred to a Federal Records Center for storage. The NICS will not be used to establish any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions or dispositions, except with respect to persons prohibited from receiving a firearm by 18 U.S.C. 922 (g) or (n) or by state law.

Source

 

[smokey-seven]

I don't know anyone who was forced to have a vaccination.

Some are. IF you want to stay employed in some emergency services.

The only way to enforce that would be to create a national registry - hard pass.

I thought that convicted felons were in a, "national registry".