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LakeTrout said:
I agree with you. And I pointed out in my post that they are up against insurmountable odds. I don’t blame them for not being able to increase or even protect gun rights legislatively in MA. I’m just being honest, that they have not and cannot make a difference in this fight. GOAL is not useful for protecting or advancing 2A rights in MA.

If they’re shifting tactics I think that is great and I hope they fare better.
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They are a lobbying group but they are pivoting to more active litigation so hang with them.
 
EMTDAD said:
where are all the conservative billionaires when you need them? If Elon can donate $45M/month to DJT, can't someone toss a few $M to the legal fight here?
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Its probably more on the lines what is the return rate on my donation
My gut tells me Elon is banking on trp winning and then not having trump hammer him on all his Chinese manufactured goodies?
 
mac1911 said:
Its probably more on the lines what is the return rate on my donation
My gut tells me Elon is banking on trp winning and then not having trump hammer him on all his Chinese manufactured goodies?
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then what's Bloomberg's play in this whole gun thing? What's his angle? Just throwing away money?
 
LakeTrout said:
I think GOAL is useless. Completely useless. That said, I don’t think it’s their fault. Don't know much about the internals of the organization. I just know that they’ve never been able to do anything that has made any tangible difference since things started going off the cliff in MA. And now after 8/1 things will be almost as bad as they could possible be. So I just don’t see the point in giving any money to GOAL even if they’re good people that work hard to fix things.

I think the deck is just stacked so hard against them in terms of opposition support from voters and financial support for the opposition that there’s nothing they can do. So donating to them is just not going to do anything to fix this or any other problem in MA. I think it makes more sense to donate to the national organizations that have an interest in repealing stuff like this in order to establish case law that prevents other states from acting up.

Love you, GOAL. But you just aren’t a good use of anyone’s money for this.
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They have been a lobbying group for the most part. In 2024 mASS, that's sort of a lost cause. It's good to stay in front of legislators, but we aren't getting bills to increase our gun rights any time soon.

That battle is being fought in courtrooms. So maybe they pivot to that.

Or they pivot to more focus on localized rights fighting. Such as toolbag COP's and such and delays in the mechanism. Sue in federal court and all that if necessary. (Hard ot get the state to make the state do it's job.)

Or maybe their mandate dies and they go to being hte localized arm of the NRA and work on safety and education and such. Nothing wrong with that either.

It's sad that I've been a gun owner since the 1998 debacle. I didn't think we could ever get worse than that. :(
 
Dennis in MA said:
Or maybe their mandate dies and they go to being hte localized arm of the NRA and work on safety and education and such. Nothing wrong with that either.
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that was my first thought.. get out there and remove the dirty stigma that gun ownership in MA has.. have booths and tables at fairs, festivals, etc.. can you imagine GOAL at a Pride festival... right next to the Log Cabin Republican table.
 
Dennis in MA said:
They have been a lobbying group for the most part. In 2024 mASS, that's sort of a lost cause. It's good to stay in front of legislators, but we aren't getting bills to increase our gun rights any time soon.

That battle is being fought in courtrooms. So maybe they pivot to that.

Or they pivot to more focus on localized rights fighting. Such as toolbag COP's and such and delays in the mechanism. Sue in federal court and all that if necessary. (Hard ot get the state to make the state do it's job.)

Or maybe their mandate dies and they go to being hte localized arm of the NRA and work on safety and education and such. Nothing wrong with that either.

It's sad that I've been a gun owner since the 1998 debacle. I didn't think we could ever get worse than that. :(
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1968 was bad. It was also the point in which it NRA began to morph into a political action group.
 
EJFudd said:
So again, we have to wait and see how this plays out. GOAL seems to want to take the lead on challenging the Monstrosity bill in court. How will GOAL interface with and work with the national big boys (with the big dollars and experienced lawyers)? Will they even let GOAL take the lead on spending their money? Or will the big boys want the lead and eventually the top credit for killing the Monstrosity bill? Many questions ahead...
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Glad GOAL is pivoting but I don't want them to take the lead, other organizations have much more litigation experience like Comm2A, FPC, etc.
 
MA_Compliant said:
www.gunowners.org

MA: STOP the Anti-Liberty Super Bill | GOA

Last week anti-gun Democrats in Massachusetts passed a partisan bill antithetical to the very spirit of the Second Amendment. H 4885 comprehensively restructures gun law in Massachusetts under one of the most vehemently anti-liberty laws we’ve ever seen. The 116-page legislation was purposely...
www.gunowners.org www.gunowners.org
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Done, can't hurt, knowing it was a waste of a whole 10 seconds of my life, not going to worry about it, took me longer to write this message. Good luck all, hopefully this B.S. will get overturned by someone who actually has the money to make it happen...
 
HorizontalHunter said:
908 people so far……That will make the Governor take notice for sure. /s


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Proves once again that many gun owners do not even support themselves and the sport.
KAG likely sold more guns than people who were too lazy to even send a pre addressed postcard never mind sending any donations.
 
Asaltweapon said:
Proves once again that many gun owners do not even support themselves and the sport.
KAG likely sold more guns than people who were too lazy to even send a pre addressed postcard never mind sending any donations.
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I truly believe that most gun owners outside this forum have no idea what they are about to lose.
 
I'm still thinking that's why she hasn't has a grand announcement about the bill, or signed it yet. Keep it quiet, let it pass (due to the deadline) and then watch the clock tick until it's in effect, and most people involved will have no idea. Hell, if it wasn't for this group (and the emails from Goal, etc), I wouldn't know. I'm a member of (3) gun clubs and have seen 0 emails sent about this, compared to the last round.
 
This seems like a complete waste of time and resources (and attention).

Wasn't there some mechanism in MA law where a certain number of signatures would delay all this? That sounds like a better use of time and resources.
 
Asaltweapon said:
I already left on a plan that began 30 years ago. Most of my older gun owner friends have also left and those still in MA are too invested due to family etc.
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Family holds us here as well. Both my wife and I have older parents that need our support. When that changes the calculus will also change.
 
It's not worth wasting a click on.

Since you clearly disagree, what do you think could conceivably come from this?
 
HorizontalHunter said:
908 people so far……That will make the Governor take notice for sure. /s


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Not that I expect many people do this because most know it's probably a waste of time, but I sent a personal letter directly through the mass.gov website. I'm hesitant to use a form like that where they could have just blocked that email domain or made a rule filtering those messages. The 908 number is certainly not exhaustive of all who have tried contacting her about this.
 
I have a question.

How many people here feel that those people in power in Masschusetts and who are ramming through legislation to deprive us of our 2A rights are also responsible enough to pay attention to a (relatively) small number of form letters and actually change their minds about our rights?

Especially since, state-wide, we don't appear to have anywhere near enough votes to vote them out of office.
 

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