3/27/23 Nashville School Shooting

Rob Boudrie said:
I see you are from NH. Teachers in in the DPRM get considerably more than 40K for their nine months, plus defined benefit pension and a medical subsidy until Medicare kicks in.

Teachers get paid supplements for all sorts of extra work - the soccer coach of chess club advisor gets paid for that extra duty. Just pay the same a sports coach or club advisor for the time put in (training, etc.) and make it voluntary.
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I've seen some of the figures that the teachers union throws out. Complete and utter bullshit. When they say that the average teacher makes 30k or 40k, I gotta believe that includes teachers aides, perdiem, part-times etc.
 
pastera said:
If someone inside was armed they had plenty of warning to setup an ambush - :mad:
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Screw the ambush, hit with violence and action.

When I'm in a school, I have to figure out how I'd assault the end of the hallway if all the doors are locked, without a weapon. I haven't found a verifiable tactic yet that doesn't make me a martyr. Hopefully a bill waiting for signature will get it and allow teachers to be armed. At least then, as a sub, I'd have access to a weapon on the inside, maybe.
 
Admin said:
That was a pretty impressive response from what looked like patrol cops first on the scene. One dude had a 12ga. They were always moving, always communicating, and the threat was down 2 mins after entry even with the bad intel going in.
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Yup. No waiting for SWAT. “First responders”. First guys on the scene went in.
 
paul73 said:
it will not work. what is proven to work is a couple of soldiers deployed to each school. a gun in a pocket is only a half of the deal, the training and reflexes on how to use it properly is more important.
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I may be a teacher soon. It would work for me. Hell, I'd track down the others and put them through a real school.

I'd be happy with more than a token cop, neither of the two at my kid's schools infer a lot of confidence. The problem has been brought up before, the kind of guys you want in those positions can make a lot more doing other things. The training gets expensive if you do it right, as well.

I just know my kids are in the same school I am. Pissing myself in a corner isn't going to work for me.
 
Limited, locked and security monitored entry and exit points. Emergency egress points all alarmed monitored and maglocked (possibly on a time delay) and no handles for reentry. Such upgrades should not be terribly expensive.
 
eboos said:
Limited, locked and security monitored entry and exit points. Emergency egress points all alarmed monitored and maglocked (possibly on a time delay) and no handles for reentry. Such upgrades should not be terribly expensive.
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My apologies in advance to Picton, but most teachers are lazy as f and lack perspective. I was talking about a 'bad day' with one today, I said I never had to tell my wife about a bad day, me rummaging around for Brasso and leather polish told her. I said a 'bad day' was what Nashville had, everything else is easy to deal with.

When I'm out with the kids after lunch, I watch the teachers watching the kids. They have their heads in their damn phones, or are talking to a kid (or group) with no situational awareness. I broke up a fight today during this time. I was the only one who reacted to a kid beating the shit out of another kid. I had it broken up and kids walking towards the door before another teacher even noticed.
 
The shooter's mother was anti-gun.

nypost.com

Mother of Nashville school shooter Audrey Hale shared several gun control posts on social media

“So important!” Norma Hale wrote in a March 8, 2018 Facebook post as she shared the petition that stated “Keep Guns Out of School.”
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The mother of the Nashville school shooter who killed six people — including three 9-year-olds — appeared to be a gun control activist who once urged friends on Facebook to sign a petition calling for keeping firearms out of schools.

“So important!” Norma Hale wrote in a March 8, 2018, Facebook post as she shared the petition to “Keep Guns Out of School” that appeared to be from the Sandy Hook Promise Foundation.

The webpage’s domain to the petition did not appear to exist anymore.

In another post from Feb. 21, 2018, Hale shared another petition from Sandy Hook Promise urging lawmakers to “Make Large-Capacity Gun Magazines Illegal.”

Hale’s adult child, Audrey Hale, carried out Monday’s horrific mass shooting at the Covenant School on Monday morning.
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That karma thing is a mutherphucker, ain't it?
 
eboos said:
Limited, locked and security monitored entry and exit points. Emergency egress points all alarmed monitored and maglocked (possibly on a time delay) and no handles for reentry. Such upgrades should not be terribly expensive.
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That can tend to create a bottleneck, with a large group congregating outside the door waiting to get through. A motivated psycho would take advantage of that situation and take out more victims than they might inside.
 
paul73 said:
this:
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pirates?
 
weekendracer said:
When I'm in a school, I have to figure out how I'd assault the end of the hallway if all the doors are locked, without a weapon. I haven't found a verifiable tactic yet that doesn't make me a martyr.
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I spend an embarrassing amount of time doing exactly this.

After many years in my building, I'm fairly confident I and my students would survive most school shootings UNLESS it started in my classroom, at which point I'm certain there's nothing I could do.

weekendracer said:
I'd be happy with more than a token cop, neither of the two at my kid's schools infer a lot of confidence. The problem has been brought up before, the kind of guys you want in those positions can make a lot more doing other things. The training gets expensive if you do it right, as well.
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I've posted before about SROs. It's actually a fairly complicated job, in which the cop has to serve a lot of different masters. I've worked with about five different ones in my career and although I really do think four of them would have taken a bullet for a kid, they spend 99% of their time doing outreach and (for lack of a better term) "counseling" rather than actual police work. It's a valuable job if done well.

The issue is that folks want Rambo in a school for that minuscule chance of a school shooting, but the vast majority of an SRO's job requires them to NOT be Rambo. It can be a tough balancing act for towns with smaller PDs.
 
alan226 said:
I've seen some of the figures that the teachers union throws out. Complete and utter bullshit. When they say that the average teacher makes 30k or 40k, I gotta believe that includes teachers aides, perdiem, part-times etc.
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Obtain a copy of the town or cities Annual Report. You'd be amazed how much some teachers are paid. Two or three years ago in my town, a kindergarten teacher near the end of her career, only made $99,000 for the year. I believe that her entire career was that of strictly being a kindergarten teacher.
weekendracer said:
My apologies in advance to Picton, but most teachers are lazy as f and lack perspective. I was talking about a 'bad day' with one today, I said I never had to tell my wife about a bad day, me rummaging around for Brasso and leather polish told her. I said a 'bad day' was what Nashville had, everything else is easy to deal with.

When I'm out with the kids after lunch, I watch the teachers watching the kids. They have their heads in their damn phones, or are talking to a kid (or group) with no situational awareness. I broke up a fight today during this time. I was the only one who reacted to a kid beating the shit out of another kid. I had it broken up and kids walking towards the door before another teacher even noticed.
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I'm surprised you still have a job! At some if not all schools, you are supposed to call for the crisis or restraint team to break up a physical altercation or to control a disruptive student. Going hands on with a student when you are not part of the highly specialized and trained team[rofl] can and most likely will result in termination. What a joke!
 
xtry51 said:
I'm surprised watching the compiled security cam footage that the glass in the doors is not wire glass. Even when I was in public elementary school 30 years ago the glass for entrances had embedded wire so you could not do exactly what she did to enter the building. Will it stop someone, no. But it will slow them down and time from the first shot is precious.

I love all the anti-gunners out. We should be thank God this person was retarded and didn't just wait for bus line up time to run over 50 kids with her car before she started shooting.
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Wire glass is actually for use where a fire rating is required. When the heat of the fire causes the glass to crack the wire holds it in place to keep the smoke and fire on one side of it. Supposedly if the fire is hot enough the glass will fuse where cracked and seal up(!).

The problem is that it is not safety glass. It is too weak and a human bouncing off of it can break it. The shards and wire make the injuries from going through such a piece of glass pretty bad. If you apply a coating that holds the glass together it would be acceptable where safety glass is required.

It looks like wire glass with one of those 3M coatings would give you the best of both worlds. If you accidentally bounce off of it and break the glass you won't go through it but if you tried to break the glass to gain entry you would be in a world of hurt.
 
G4Y4HK said:
'arsenal'. Wonder if the next time you go to your pcp and you get 'screened for depression' and not even realize it, the doctor asks if you've ever felt sad in the last 6 months and you say "of course, doesn't anyone have bad days as well as good days?" Doctor submits report to NICS and bam, you're a prohibited person going forward.
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My doc asked me that once and I said either you’re on drugs or just weird if you don’t feel sad every now and again. He laughed and we moved on. However, I always very weary of questions now a days.
 
Blackmore said:
So all guns are now "assault type" guns? [rolleyes]
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Listening to a liberal hack who pretends to be centrist on the local radio today and he's saying how it's "always the same type of guns" the implication being semi autos.

So, semi autos are now being targeted and it's only a matter of time before Cali, NY/NJ pass a semiautomatic ban.
 

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