3/27/23 Nashville School Shooting

[weekendracer]

I've seen some of the figures that the teachers union throws out. Complete and utter bullshit. When they say that the average teacher makes 30k or 40k, I gotta believe that includes teachers aides, perdiem, part-times etc.

Teachers in Tennessee start at $40k...and it doesn't move much higher than that.

 

[AMV]

A little cubby and long in the tooth works for me if he’s got balls
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toe to toe in a church hall is a little different than clearing rooms, and hunting in my opinion

 

[AMV]

Hinged can be shot out, but it increases time for reaponders to intercept.

Main reason the glass lobbies won't ever be replaced is it costs too much money and that is more important to school boards than protecting against mass shooters.

I agree better places to spend the money

 

[ToddDubya]

Damn, I hadn't watched the whole thing til now. AR guy shows up, assembles a team and is inside the building within one minute, perp down two and a half minutes later. Checkmate.

 

[Picton]

You high? Teachers work just as much at home. Well, the ones I know do anyway.

...no?

It's been YEARS since I took any work home.

Notice the one leading the charge in this video is a fit young male, very proficient with his rifle and tactics deploying it, kept his shit together, didn't spend more rounds than he needed to neutralize the threat, and as soon as he did, was aware enough under the stress to make his weapon safe when fellow officers moved in front of him.

This is true... but the point is that there were already six dead people by the time he and his buddies arrived.

Perp died (IIRC) 17 minutes after she opened fire. It would have been nice to have seen her take some incoming rounds at some point prior to that. I agree there's no perfect fix, but even in eastern MA, there are plenty of LTC holders and vets in schools who would be more than willing to carry on the job.

 

[timbo]

9/11 happens and look what we got.

School shootings happen and look what we got.

We can spend billions on a proxy war and billions more providing for the world's wretched poor who can make it here, yet we don't spend money fortifying schools.

Maybe if money is earmarked for schools, the teachers want a lionshare of it and threaten to strike so legislators don't bother?

You can blame teacher's unions for this, specifically the NEA. When I was on our local school board, it was very disturbing the hold the NEA has over teachers, etc...

 

[T-Unit]

"Why does anyone need a gun that can shoot as fast as you wiggle your finger and can hold more than ten or even SEVEN bullets in a clip?"

This is what they are saying. The problem they have is they can't quanitfy what an appropriate rate of fire is, they just know " x gun is super fast killy killy, ban it NOW!"

We very well may see a pivot by the antis who take focus off handgun controls and regulations for purposes of self defense, but rifles they want a focus only for hunting and target shooting, meaning no semis.

 

[AMV]

This is true... but the point is that there were already six dead people by the time he and his buddies arrived.

Perp died (IIRC) 17 minutes after she opened fire. It would have been nice to have seen her take some incoming rounds at some point prior to that. I agree there's no perfect fix, but even in eastern MA, there are plenty of LTC holders and vets in schools who would be more than willing to carry on the job.

I am not saying we shouldn't have armed people in school, I hear the retired cop and combat vet thing come up often like they are the best option I think someone that works in the school that is crossed trained would be ideal. could be a janitor.... similar to how they used air marshals, does not need to be a uniformed presence, that's only the feel good option

 

[timbo]

Cuz the Big Guy doesn't get his Ten fortifying schools.

It seems the last 10 "Big Guys" didn't get them...

 

[Picton]

I am not saying we shouldn't have armed people in school, I hear the retired cop and combat vet thing come up often like they are the best option I think someone that works in the school that is crossed trained would be ideal. could be a janitor.... similar to how they used air marshals, does not need to be a uniformed presence, that's only the feel good option

Personally, you're best off with someone who has a connection with the school: interested employees or parents/grandparents. Retired cops and combat vets are fine, but there's no specific reason why they should be willing to risk their lives for someone else's kids and the schools, frankly, can't afford to pay the rates that real armed security should command.

 

[M125X]

128,000 schools in America (according to google), pay 2 trained guards 80K a year at each. That’s 20 billion a year. We already sent Ukraine like $100,000,000,000 this year

 

[MaverickNH]

WSJ: "Police said Monday that the suspect identified as transgender and may have resented having to attend the Christian school."

And shot the school up a decade later at age 28? I thought only women bore a grudge that long…

 

[SpaceCritter]

128,000 schools in America (according to google), pay 2 trained guards 80K a year at each. That’s 20 billion a year. We already sent Ukraine like $100,000,000,000 this year

...but that's OK cuz the Big Guy got his 10 (and a fridge full of ice cream).

 

[Picton]

128,000 schools in America (according to google), pay 2 trained guards 80K a year at each. That’s 20 billion a year. We already sent Ukraine like $100,000,000,000 this year

Yeah, but that's like those weepy leftists who whine about how they have to have bake sales for textbooks while the Air Force buys bombers.

The money doesn't all come from one huge bucket. The Ukraine foreign aid was never going to go to local schools, and I (for one) love that. I like local control of schools. Federal money comes with federal strings.

I've commented on this before, because it's something I care a lot about professionally: armed guards sound great and all, but it's hard to keep them engaged and attentive through an entire shift unless they have a good reason. Plus, your $160,000 per school would NOT be something I'd support on the vanishingly small chance of a school shooting, especially when I know how much more efficiently that money could be spent.

This doesn't need to be a money thing. Every school has one or two or ten or twenty staff members willing and able to carry. Just let them. They probably won't even ask for extra cash... except maybe for ammo.

 

[Thirwell1216]

I'm assuming this will be put on hold in light of current events.

‘Trans Radicals’ Plan ‘Day Of Vengeance’ In D.C. Alongside Firearms Training | The Daily Wire

‘Trans Radicals’ Plan ‘Day Of Vengeance’ In D.C. Alongside Firearms Training

A group of transgender activists is planning a “Day of Vengeance” in Washington, D.C., for March 31-April 2 while raising money for firearms training this week, according to its online materials.

The Trans Radical Activist Network (TRAN) said on Twitter that “The time is now, enough is enough,” and uploaded posters to TikTok that said, “We want more than visibility. Trans Day of Vengeance. Stop trans genocide. Save the date: April 1st – 11:00 AM / March 31st – TBA.”

The self-professed Virginia chapter of the group said on Twitter that it would host a dance party at a Richmond club on Tuesday to raise money “benefiting firearm/self defense training for trans Virginians. Come boogie with us and defend trans life!”

We hope to see you in DC or online ! The time is now, enough is enough. This country is full of hate and hate is NOT welcomed in this country. We are human beings and we will always exist. You are all worth it, let’s unite. #TransDayOfVengeance pic.twitter.com/F5x6TRZh3G

— Trans Radical Activist Network (@Trans_Radical) February 24, 2023

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— VA TRAN (@VA_TRAN22) February 10, 2023

The national group’s website for the Day of Vengeance says, “Like the Stonewall Riots the gays and lesbians were experiencing what the trans community is facing now. This cycle of hate needs to end in fact it must. Allies, siblings we need you now more than ever. ‘I was a radical revolutionist. I still am a revolutionist…I am glad I was in the Stonewall Riot. I remember when someone threw a Molotov cocktail, I thought, ‘My god, the revolution is here. The revolution is finally here?” -Sylvia Rivera.”

“TRAN will be hosting an event in DC, time and location TBA on 3/31-4/1. The online event will be hosted on 4/1-4/2, time TBA. If anyone is interested in organizing in their state, please fill out the contact form,” it says.

The group’s website says one of its co-founders is “Noah Buchanan; I am a transgender male and have been out since 2018 … I have 10+ years of working in the mental health field … What motivated me to start TRAN was the fact I was bullied to the point where I attempted to end my own life. The person that bullied me was a fellow member of the LGBTIA+.”

Buchanan did not return a request for more information about the Day of Vengeance.

It says another co-founder is “Tsukuru”: “As a graduate of a high school in Hiroshima where 350 young lives were brutally taken on August 6, 1945, Tsukuru is an anti-nuclear/anti-war/human rights activist … After his brief marriage to his best friend and the birth of his child, he first came out as lesbian at age 29 and as a transgender man at age 50.”

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It said of its Virginia chapter leader: “Bo Belotti is a trans masculine non-binary person … While working in their state’s legislator they helped craft trans affirming state wide policies. Recently Bo has left the campaign world to pursue more radical changes and activism … They are a successful organizer and founder of Virginia’s chapter of TRAN, reaching 100 members in just 4 months.”

According to Virginia Commonwealth University, Belotti worked as a fellow for Del. Elizabeth Guzman, who floated a plan that could sic Child Protective Services on parents if they did not affirm their child as transgender.

Belotti also worked for Del. Joshua Cole as a legislative aide and helped draft HB 145, which required the state to create model transgender policies for public schools, VCU said.

The model policy document that resulted described how to hide the gender transitioning of children from their parents, saying “a plan may include addressing the student at school with their name and pronoun consistent with their gender identity while using the legal name and pronoun associated with the sex assigned at birth when communicating with parents.”

The model policy said schools should “eliminate gender-based practices” to avoid leaving out transgender students. The policy cited father-daughter dances and homecoming kings and queens as examples. It spelled out how school districts should create gay clubs, allow for transgender students to share bunks with children of the opposite biological sex during sleepaway events, and ordered teachers to be trained to be “LGBT+ affirming.”

On TikTok, Buchanan’s account @transcomrade36 also called on transgenders to take part in a “day of trans joy and rage” on March 10 in Sacramento to drown out the voice of detransitioner Chloe Cole.

Though the Day of Vengeance was planned prior to CPAC, the group’s rage grew following The Daily Wire’s Michael Knowles’ comments at the conservative conference.

“Today in what the actual ***** news: Everybody knows that the Daily Wire is garbage. So Michael Knowles had his show recently and was … denying the fact that the trans community is facing a genocide,” it said March 2, playing aggressive music over a clip of Knowles alongside images that said “killing members of the group” and “trans day of vengeance.”

@transcomrade36

#greenscreenvideo there is so much to unpack here. But if anyone is denying that this is occuring please wake up. We are scared and we need your help. #transliberationnow #translivesmatter #transdayofvengeance #protecttransyouth #stoptransgenocide

♬ We Rise Against (Full) – Jonathan Paulsen

 

[SpaceCritter]

I'm assuming this will be put on hold in light of current events.

I wouldn't assume.

 

[headednorth]

I wouldn't assume.

AGreed. Ill bet a $20 that we hear the words "now more than ever..." thrown around. Sort of like how after 9/11 they were fear mongering over anti-Muslim backlash before the flames were even out

 

[NHCraigT]

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[mikelawtown]

You high? Teachers work just as much at home. Well, the ones I know do anyway.

My wife was a teacher and caught up with tests and papers in a couple hours, that’s a week.
My sis in-law has been a teacher for 25 years and her idea is to not bring work home with her so she stays 15 min after to finish up but says traffic is bad so that’s why I do it.

Someone also mentioned that in Tennessee they make 40,000 i mean that’s not bad since they only work 180 days but I can tell you in Massachusetts they were making more than 65k

 

[pastera]

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[AMV]

This doesn't need to be a money thing. Every school has one or two or ten or twenty staff members willing and able to carry. Just let them. They probably won't even ask for extra cash... except maybe for ammo.

This it what is needed, but in addition have them vetted and offer some training and proof of proficiency with their weapon, A cross trained employee would be defending themself equally as much as those they work with, people they have come to know, and befriend It would be a personal fight, Not one from a paid security contractor,.. On the day to day security would not Be your primary roll, Some additional compensation for training and qualification would be warranted, but no where near that of 80k a year

 

[JJC]

Massachusetts Department Of Elementary And Secondary Education - Teacher Salaries Statewide Report

If you want to see what the average teacher makes in Massachusetts by town, just take a look. Prepare for a hypertensive crisis before you look it up.

 

[Quantavious G]

She checked her Instagram. She didn't expect a message from The Covenant School shooter.

At 9:57 a.m., a former middle school basketball teammate of Audrey Hale looked at her phone to find a message from The Covenant School shooter on Instagram.

www.newschannel5.com

If she had posted that and then taken her own life, I probably would feel sad for her. Taking innocent people with her only makes her, as a previous poster noted, an enemy combatant.

 

[mikelawtown]

Massachusetts Department Of Elementary And Secondary Education - Teacher Salaries Statewide Report

If you want to see what the average teacher makes in Massachusetts by town, just take a look. Prepare for a hypertensive crisis before you look it up.

I know what they make as it went into my bank account.

And also their salaries should be going up in the next couple years along with the paraprofessionals

 

[Ron Jablonski]

If you train around others with your rifle, Yes absolutely, And is good practice, Had excellent trigger discipline as well

Yup, 100%

 

[StevieP]

That bodycam footage was unbelievably disturbing to watch. Sirens blaring, locked doors, dead bodies in the hallway, and an armed lunatic running wild. There should be an armed veteran or retired cop in every school. These scumbags need bullets sent back in their direction without delay.

If I was a psycho killer, I'd just walk up to that person first, shoot them, take their gun, and then continue the rampage.

I am NOT a psycho killer. I want to make that very clear. But we're the same guys who say "concealed means concealed" because it's tactically advantageous. The opposite is also true. Being that armed guard at a pinch point school entry would be about the worst possible combination. I don't know what the right answer is, but having a sash-wearing vet standing guard at the door in multicam, doesn't seem right.

 

[Quantavious G]

My concern is catholic schools becoming a target as the media ramps up the campaign of blaming white Christian’s for all the mental issues associated with trans ideology.

hopefully they will take a lesson from Jewish schools and synagogues that feel threatened.

 

[Picton]

This it what is needed, but in addition have them vetted and offer some training and proof of proficiency with their weapon, A cross trained employee would be defending themself equally as much as those they work with, people they have come to know, and befriend It would be a personal fight, Not one from a paid security contractor,.. On the day to day security would not Be your primary roll, Some additional compensation for training and qualification would be warranted, but no where near that of 80k a year

I don't disagree personally, but it's a dealbreaker especially in a state like MA. I think that would make the perfect become the enemy of the good: the more onerous you make this, the more likely it is that schools would never do it. The training expense would be a good excuse for them to half-step, as would any other kind of expense.

More requirements are a worse answer than fewer requirements. If you must, just take interested teachers and turn them into auxiliary cops; problem solved.

A key is deterrence through publicity: allowing teacher carry automatically makes schools harder targets, just because shooters will be less likely to strike at a place where it's known return fire is a probability. They'll find a softer one. And then we'll be hearing about hospital shootings or something.

Just repeal the law. That's all.

 

[DW357]

 

[FalArAk]

My wife was a teacher and caught up with tests and papers in a couple hours, that’s a week.
My sis in-law has been a teacher for 25 years and her idea is to not bring work home with her so she stays 15 min after to finish up but says traffic is bad so that’s why I do it.

Someone also mentioned that in Tennessee they make 40,000 i mean that’s not bad since they only work 180 days but I can tell you in Massachusetts they were making more than 65k

Only teachers can complain about working a little overtime then getting all Summer off.. Then April and February vacations, Christmas and teacher development days and every other little obscure holiday the union can get all the while making in most cases MORE than the average income while only working HALF the year..lol I can guarantee most people work more than double the hours of the teacher that clocked in the most hours in a school year and in most cases, got paid less for it.

Not sure who has a more inflated sense of self worth, teacher heroes or nurse heroes.

Obviously that statement doesn't apply to all in that profession, just a generalization.