3/27/23 Nashville School Shooting

chris_1001 said:
So, when calling out the guys in my entry team, I need to start calling them by their optic/sight? LPVO, Red Dot, Iron sight, gangster pistol sight guy.... lol Unless LPVO has another meaning (but since that's what the first cop that shot had).
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you could say ".40 take the lead", but he'd already be there.
 
Picton said:
I don't disagree personally, but it's a dealbreaker especially in a state like MA. I think that would make the perfect become the enemy of the good: the more onerous you make this, the more likely it is that schools would never do it. The training expense would be a good excuse for them to half-step, as would any other kind of expense.

More requirements are a worse answer than fewer requirements. If you must, just take interested teachers and turn them into auxiliary cops; problem solved.

A key is deterrence through publicity: allowing teacher carry automatically makes schools harder targets, just because shooters will be less likely to strike at a place where it's known return fire is a probability. They'll find a softer one. And then we'll be hearing about hospital shootings or something.

Just repeal the law. That's all.
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My main argument against not vetting. I know a lot of LTC holder I would not trust to protect my children, or me, I know a few cops I feel the same way about. I have a friend that carries every day for past 35 years.... invited him to a club event and scared the shit out of every one..... He said he doesn't shoot pistols... Air marshals where held to a high proficiency standard given the area they would be engaging in. rounds needed to be on target and only spent when needed. I feel a school needs to be that same....... if a gym teacher with a LTC mag dumps on a perp like a NY cop and hits a few kids what the good is it, and it will never be allowed again
 
ccm75 said:
Looked like she was looking to end. Willingly went to dead end hallway?
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She'd been shooting out that window at cars in the lot. It was not a dead end; more like a sort of atrium.

She certainly did seem to be looking to end, though. Manifesto. Suicide texts to her friend.
 
AMV said:
My main argument against not vetting. I know a lot of LTC holder I would not trust to protect my children, or me, I know a few cops I feel the same way about. I have a friend that carries every day for past 35 years.... invited him to a club event and scared the shit out of every one..... He said he doesn't shoot pistols... Air marshals where held to a high proficiency standard given the area they would be engaging in. rounds needed to be on target and only spent when needed. I feel a school needs to be that same....... if a gym teacher with a LTC mag dumps on a perp like a NY cop and hits a few kids what the good is it, and it will never be allowed again
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Again, I don't disagree personally.

But that's a non-starter. Because $$$.
 
M125X said:
Why do all of our towns have so many on duty cops that just sit and watch traffic all day? Just put one cop in each school, is that too much to ask?
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My town does. Every single day.
And the PD is literally right across the street form the Middle/ Senior High School. But this was a private school.
 
ccm75 said:
Looked like she was looking to end it. Willingly went to dead end hallway?
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she was sending them out the window at the arriving police..... that was what was reported yesterday.... unless the holes in the glass are shoot throughs
 
Picton said:
Again, I don't disagree personally.

But that's a non-starter. Because $$$.
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I agree, It would be in my town, we are 2A friendly but school funding is always a huge fight, it would need to be federally supplemented in some way.

but let's be honest, it will never happen on any level in the North East
 
eboos said:
Limited, locked and security monitored entry and exit points. Emergency egress points all alarmed monitored and maglocked (possibly on a time delay) and no handles for reentry. Such upgrades should not be terribly expensive.
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Many schools ARE already reasonably secured against forced entry like you describe. It won't stop someone sufficiently motivated. But it's a start and not an expensive "just in case". Certainly better than leaving the front door unlocked.

Schools that have remote entry systems don't always manage them all that well, fwiw
 
Admin said:
Finding money for it? Its simply an excuse. You know it, I know it, we all know it.

If it is wanted bad enough the money will be found or other items would be cut to finance it.
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Okay, but then it would be cut again after a couple years. Once it was obvious these guys "weren't needed." Schools have always operated on cycles like that.

I'd even understand that cut, honestly. Given the low, low odds of a school shooting actually happening, I'd support the least-cost option too, and I'm a guy whose life could theoretically depend on this kind of plan.
 
Picton said:
Okay, but then it would be cut again after a couple years. Once it was obvious these guys "weren't needed." Schools have always operated on cycles like that.

I'd even understand that cut, honestly. Given the low, low odds of a school shooting actually happening, I'd support the least-cost option too, and I'm a guy whose life could theoretically depend on this kind of plan.
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I don't think you are wrong..... you probably have a better chance of getting hit and killed by the school bus on the way to school than shot by an active shooter
 
Admin said:
Finding money for it? Its simply an excuse. You know it, I know it, we all know it.

If it is wanted bad enough the money will be found or other items would be cut to finance it.
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No offense, but the idea of a cop somehow preventing a terrible event is impractical. Here's why:
  • A single officer cannot engage in offensive action with a shooter effectively. A single office cannot clear a room effectively unless a shooter stays in place. In CQB, one clears room in threes and fives but never alone. Single-person room clearing is possible but is very dangerous and requires a lot of training and discipline.
  • Officers carry pistols but never rifles. Rifles are usually stored in the police vehicle and retrieved if needed. If an assault occurs, a pistol-wielding officer would be at a disadvantage. Alternatively, going to the vehicle to retrieve a rifle/shotgun is time-consuming. Carrying a rifle on a person for the entire day would be very physically taxing.
  • Most mass shootings last minutes, with most people being hit in the first 30 seconds of an attack. In other words, the people will die unless an officer is in the immediate vicinity.
There is a reason why Israelis arm teachers: they are always around kids.
 
I agree, I'm just re-iterating that as a society we are NOT serious about keeping our kids safe at school. My elementary school door is almost always propped open, when I question it I get stammering adults that can't give me a good reason. It's a joke, take my money to educate my children out of my supervision and leave them sitting ducks for the violent mental cases the schools are helping produce. It is quite amazing what public education has become.

FOFRaEkUcBEpHGH
 
40 Creedmoor fan said:
No offense, but the idea of a cop somehow preventing a terrible event is impractical. Here's why:
  • A single officer cannot engage in offensive action with a shooter effectively. A single office cannot clear a room effectively unless a shooter stays in place. In CQB, one clears room in threes and fives but never alone. Single-person room clearing is possible but is very dangerous and requires a lot of training and discipline.
  • Officers carry pistols but never rifles. Rifles are usually stored in the police vehicle and retrieved if needed. If an assault occurs, a pistol-wielding officer would be at a disadvantage. Alternatively, going to the vehicle to retrieve a rifle/shotgun is time-consuming. Carrying a rifle on a person for the entire day would be very physically taxing.
  • Most mass shootings last minutes, with most people being hit in the first 30 seconds of an attack. In other words, the people will die unless an officer is in the immediate vicinity.
There is a reason why Israelis arm teachers: they are always around kids.
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Where did I mention a "COP", did you think you were quoting someone else? [rofl]
 
Admin said:
I agree, I'm just re-iterating that as a society we are NOT serious about keeping our kids safe at school. My elementary school door is almost always propped open, when I question it I get stammering adults that can't give me a good reason. It's a joke, take my money to educate my children out of my supervision and leave them sitting ducks for the violent mental cases the schools are helping produce. It is quite amazing what public education has become.

FOFRaEkUcBEpHGH
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"His" classroom? Aren't you assuming a gender there.

Seriously, "Nothing to learn here. Let's go home. Time for school."
 
Admin said:
I agree, I'm just re-iterating that as a society we are NOT serious about keeping our kids safe at school. My elementary school door is almost always propped open, when I question it I get stammering adults that can't give me a good reason. It's a joke, take my money to educate my children out of my supervision and leave them sitting ducks for the violent mental cases the schools are helping produce. It is quite amazing what public education has become.

FOFRaEkUcBEpHGH
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My reaction? "Well, looks like it's home school for us." -- and I don't even have kids.
 

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