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3/27/23 Nashville School Shooting
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I get that... but look at cops and how much training they get, they qualify twice a year. and look what happens most of the time when a gun comes out and they pull the trigger, Now you want an average LTC holder surrounded by children to use a firearm in a school with no additional Training other than a one day safety course. Can't say i would be in agreement with that.
How many rounds did the cops at the pulse nightclub fire , Never hit the shooter, and never reported how many friendlies he was responsible for
Just barricade and hide and call it a day, if that's all that is needed, and leave the guns out of it, if we are only talking defence
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She does it out of love, and it doesn't feel like a sacrifice for her. Thank you though.
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groundscrapers
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you would be surprised how many lefties work in the firearms industry. Teachers at schools are almost a given.
Well, no. Nobody wants or expects a teacher to use a gun, ever. If they've got it out, it's by definition a life-or-death situation. In that case, better to have and not need than to need and not have.
I think of it like broken ribs during CPR: regrettable, sure, but the alternative is, well, death. I'd think the same thing anytime an LTC holder pulled a gun in defense of themselves or others, anywhere in MA: no gun means certain death. A gun means a chance at life. The law allows that anywhere in the commonwealth, except my place of work. And the building I send my children to.
That's the bummer, for a fellow like me. The one place I actually feel I might one day need a gun also happens to be the one place it's prohibited for me to have one.
Gee. Irony.
She is talking about Fentnyl .... no wait the southern border. No actually I think she is talking about the Rigged elections in america
The Christcucks will pray about that.
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For all of you “RDO sites are stupid” people.
What I don’t get is it’s a private Christian school… in the south god and guns go together… why wasn’t. Someone armed in the school…
Also the commitment based mental health system has gotten so weak it’s laughable.. people who would be in a state hospital BEFORE they end up their because of a violent crime aren’t happening anymore.
Prime example is Travis Reinking (Waffle House shooter). Even 10 years ago he would have been locked up in a State Hospital.
Even Massachusetts has watered down Bridgewater. Problem is most of the cool no BS he’s crazy lock them up psychiatrics, judges and psychologists have gone super woke!
Some people need to be committed but it costs $$$$.
Also the commitment based mental health system has gotten so weak it’s laughable.. people who would be in a state hospital BEFORE they end up their because of a violent crime aren’t happening anymore.
Prime example is Travis Reinking (Waffle House shooter). Even 10 years ago he would have been locked up in a State Hospital.
Even Massachusetts has watered down Bridgewater. Problem is most of the cool no BS he’s crazy lock them up psychiatrics, judges and psychologists have gone super woke!
Some people need to be committed but it costs $$$$.
If you send rounds through a classroom door, miss your target because you are a poor shot, failed to train and kill a few kids what then? should we have made sure you were proficient first, or is that a cost of doing business.
I am a taxpayer sending my kids to school I would like to know the people they are dealing with are not pedofiles, criminals and can shoot good....... i am pretty sure as a teacher you have been vetted for the first 2
Sure, but you forget that cops have that sweet sweet Qualified Immunity, are usually alchohol, marijuana and steroid abusers, and have had an "us vs them" mentality driven into them since day 1 at the academy.
A normal person with no backup and no means to escape and has a classroom of kids to protect has a right to armed defense.
I was a soldier for quite awhile before I was a teacher, so you might say I've been vetted for all three.
There are many veterans who are also teachers, whether you realize it or not. And sorry, but trust me: I've spent many, many, many years in classrooms. I am not situationally naive. I understand backstops and fields of fire. I know where I will send my students in the event of a shooting, and if I were to have access to a gun I would know where I'd need to fire from. Hint: there would be no kids within that bottleneck.
I did say, above, that I'm reasonably confident in my classroom's ability to get through a shooting with minimal carnage, provided the shooting doesn't START in my room. I'm not sure why you're so confident there are not other teachers like me. Read about school shootings and you'll find that teachers normally acquit themselves very, very honorably, even selflessly.
We do practice these drills, y'know. And if guns were involved, I'm sure those would factor into our drills too.
DMH is seriously underfunded. I think bringing back state hospitals would be beneficial. The community/group home model doesn’t work very well for the chronically mentally Ill. However, psych commitment is hard for a reason, you’re depriving someone of their freedom and agency.
correct, and I am entrusting my children to those normal people, who i pay with tax dollars so i should have a say
You can always homeschool if you're that concerned about your child's safety. Also, less likely they'll be raped in the bathroom by a tranny classmate.
I shoot competitively with teachers that are more that capable and i would trust my life with, we are not talking about you or them. but the unvetted LTC holder. that should not receive anything more than a 1 day safety course
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Glad that demon got sent where it belongs.
Know what hurts more than being reminded you're a chick playing dress up? Losing in real life Call of Duty to those cops.
RIP to the 6 victims. Unlike Uvalde, LE response seemed quick and decisive here, probably saved more lives than were lost.
Know what hurts more than being reminded you're a chick playing dress up? Losing in real life Call of Duty to those cops.
RIP to the 6 victims. Unlike Uvalde, LE response seemed quick and decisive here, probably saved more lives than were lost.
school shooting have never been a concern of mine......kinda like hitting the lottery...... not gonna happen
Police quick to release body cam footage and the cops names. Yet when it’s the other way around, “we can’t release any info while we investigate”.
I just caught some footage of a vigil being held in Nashville, at a church. I saw it on TV, so no pic, but the display behind the pastor had a list of the kids and adults killed in the school.
The demon's name was on that list with the rest.
WTF is wrong with that church?
GL2020
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It's actually a pretty high bar to get someone locked up long term now. Don't get me wrong, almost any ER doc will sign off on a 72-hour hold (it's really a request for an evaluation) for someone who threatens or tries suicide or making violent threats, but to actually hold someone longer, legally is really hard to do. More often than not people will sign in voluntarily during that 72 hours and leave at some point and no one blinks.
State hospitals are only for those ordered by courts. Hospitals want to get paid...usually through insurance. So unless there is clear and present danger I have a hard time seeing them engaging their expensive lawyer to make the case to a judge to hold someone long term, for which they'll get little or no money. I don't claim to know all the in's and out's but I do know a formal commitment is rarely used anymore.
I still want to see a serious study on the link between violence (not just with guns, but violence in general), and the use of SSRI's. SSRI's didn't come in to widespread use until the early 90's. We all hear there are always warnings that they can cause an increase in suicidal thoughts for certain people. It's not a stretch in my mind to call that violence. Could there be any causative link established? I don't know, but Jesus the timing seems too coincidental.
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A lot of churches are actually churches of the religion of woke. I don't think they really believe in God any more.I just caught some footage of a vigil being held in Nashville, at a church. I saw it on TV, so no pic, but the display behind the pastor had a list of the kids and adults killed in the school.
The demon's name was on that list with the rest.
When it makes cops look good, next day release. When it makes the cops look bad they wait weeks/months.
And in the case of Waco evidence disappears entirely.
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Ok, I've got no standing to critique their gun handling skills, but they can architect an application, so there.
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They are simply following the Bible:I just caught some footage of a vigil being held in Nashville, at a church. I saw it on TV, so no pic, but the display behind the pastor had a list of the kids and adults killed in the school.
The demon's name was on that list with the rest.
But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. Luke 6:27-28 (NASB)
It's the old adage "Love the sinner but hate the sin" (which doesn't actually directly appear anywhere in the Bible).
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But when arguments against are made, the discussion always seems to start with an assumption that no training or competence testing will be required.
Armed ATP pilots (FFDO program) have to take training and meet competency criteria to carry on the job; they are not unvetted LTC holders who have a 1 day safety course. As to "misidentified by police" - perhaps a color coded safety vest they can grab before running to engage.
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I just watched the body camera footage. The cop with the LPVO who took out the murderer did exactly what I said those Ulvalde pussies should have done. Get a couple guys and push. It's not hard, you just can't be a massive coward. The cop from the second body cam did well too. Quick brief communication and ensuring they kept moving. Well done.
As for their weapons handling, they aren't DEVGRU and it's silly to expect them to be perfect or precise in their movements and room clearing, but I didn't see anything unacceptable. When you know the situation is one shooter, and you then hear shooting, there's no benefit in checking all corners and all that.
I guess one of those cops is from Chicago. He was probably used to shootings!
As for their weapons handling, they aren't DEVGRU and it's silly to expect them to be perfect or precise in their movements and room clearing, but I didn't see anything unacceptable. When you know the situation is one shooter, and you then hear shooting, there's no benefit in checking all corners and all that.
I guess one of those cops is from Chicago. He was probably used to shootings!
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