Bass Pro Plans Store in Foxboro, MA - 2007

LiquidTed said:
I heard from a reliable source last Dec. thst the Cabela's deal was dead. they wanted too many subsidies from the town and state as well as sales tax exemption for mail order customers in MA and were denied on all accounts by Romney admin and town. The area isn't so bad off that the state needs to buy jobs and Cabela's has no interest in opening a store without a big heaping dose of socialist hand outs. I'm sure E. Hartford CT and Hooksett NH dropped trow and bent over good for the little commies at Cabela's.
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I would hardly call the Cabelas people commies, it is the commie taxes and laws of this state that keeps companies from doing business here in the first place. And shame on massachusetts for driving out companies while at the same time keeping new ones from coming here. Cabelas doing things like fighting for no sales tax would only help you the customer. I know the sales tax thing would never happen but how is there reason of "losing" money valid, b/c now there is no new store at all, no jobs, no in store sale tax, no income tax, nothing.
 
MagnumMike said:
I would hardly call the Cabelas people commies, it is the commie taxes and laws of this state that keeps companies from doing business here in the first place. And shame on massachusetts for driving out companies while at the same time keeping new ones from coming here. Cabelas doing things like fighting for no sales tax would only help you the customer. I know the sales tax thing would never happen but how is there reason of "losing" money valid, b/c now there is no new store at all, no jobs, no in store sale tax, no income tax, nothing.
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you can call them socialists or smart businessmen, I call them communists :)

I know of no companys driven out of MA or any kept out of here. please name them! I assume they are suing the state for these actions?

removing sales tax does not help me the customer. it likely means that I'll end up paying even more taxes as a property owner when that tax burden gets shifted elsewhere. Sales tax at least effects every consumer. People that are able to dodge income taxes because they make too little or don't own property are already subsidized enough by me. They can pay for the inordinate amount of state services they suck up at least thru sales tax.

lastly, because there is no store there now doesn't mean there won't be. by removing the socilaist subsidies that Cabela's wanted we make room for an entrepreneur who sees the potential of the developmenet of that area. Perhaps a capitalist who will bring something much more valuable than low paying retail jobs....

I love Cabela's. But that doesn't mean I should subsidize them to pad their profits. If their business model is not profitable enough without laying a hundred million off on the taxpaeyrs then I say we tell them to screw. let some suckers in another state who are that desperate for the jobs buy them. The state is there to help with the infrastructure they require to operate, not pay salaries and executive bonus's. Of course, with many MA residents here I'm sure opinions may vary....
 
What I've noticied is that it takes many years from announcement to the actual opening. The one in NJ is in its third year since they finalized it. It will be another two years to opening. I have no idea as they build major construction projects in half that time.

I can always stop at the Hartford store. I drive right by on the trips back to NJ.
 
LiquidTed said:
you can call them socialists or smart businessmen, I call them communists :)

I know of no companys driven out of MA or any kept out of here. please name them! I assume they are suing the state for these actions?

removing sales tax does not help me the customer. it likely means that I'll end up paying even more taxes as a property owner when that tax burden gets shifted elsewhere. Sales tax at least effects every consumer. People that are able to dodge income taxes because they make too little or don't own property are already subsidized enough by me. They can pay for the inordinate amount of state services they suck up at least thru sales tax.

lastly, because there is no store there now doesn't mean there won't be. by removing the socilaist subsidies that Cabela's wanted we make room for an entrepreneur who sees the potential of the developmenet of that area. Perhaps a capitalist who will bring something much more valuable than low paying retail jobs....

I love Cabela's. But that doesn't mean I should subsidize them to pad their profits. If their business model is not profitable enough without laying a hundred million off on the taxpaeyrs then I say we tell them to screw. let some suckers in another state who are that desperate for the jobs buy them. The state is there to help with the infrastructure they require to operate, not pay salaries and executive bonus's. Of course, with many MA residents here I'm sure opinions may vary....
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Just to quickly name a few industries effected by the communist PRM.

The electric company
The Cable industry
Most of firearms industry
The auto insurance industry, have you compared your cost to other states guess what the commies have you paying more then just about anyone.
And personally my family has taken its money up north to open a great lodge b/c it
is much more cost effective to do so.

Also Massachusetts consistently rates in the low of lower half by people like Forbes and the Tax foundation and many libertarian and business publications when it comes to small business, which are the foundation of our economy.

Second if you actually think that "Lack of sales tax" is why your property tax is going up you are blind to the way Massachusetts works. Especially now that 100% of the government is controlled by the democrats you will see all your taxes increase not to mention the new ones that will be coming like the new meal tax. Taxes go up b/c the government spends more money!!! Period. This is why when I vote it is for somebody I feel will not increase the spending which in turns increases my taxes. Your property tax example is an excuse given to you by the government. Tax shifting is only a problem in our wealthy country when the government is allowed to over spend.

When a company does not want to pay b.s. taxes like sales tax over the internet that is not socialist, What is socialist is a government that controls and spends so much a company would actually say no to opening a store in said state. We are not talking about a dieing bankrupt company that is receiving a check of taxpayer money this is a company that is not asking for money just asking for a break, which they would not have to do in the first place if it was not for the socialist ways of PRM.
 
MagnumMike said:
When a company does not want to pay b.s. taxes like sales tax over the internet that is not socialist, What is socialist is a government that controls and spends so much a company would actually say no to opening a store in said state.
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I think that that's the BIG thing that Liquid Ted is missing. All they wanted, from what I was told is that. That they didn't want to have to charge sales tax for Internet sales.

BREAKING NEWS!! THEY ARE ALREADY DOING THIS. Because they don't have a brick and mortar here in MA, they don't have to charge sales tax in MA.

So, having a store here, and not charging tax to MA internet orders isn't going to effect anything.

What will be effected is you will have MORE TAX REVENUE for people that now will go into the store and buy things. People that had to order online tax free because there wasn's a store near thier house. And I don't care what argurment you want to use... That parking lot will be packed all the time. This is a store that people want... And all the internet sales isn't going to change that people are going to wnat to BE in the store to shop.

SO, the state isn't losing ANYTHING by allowing them to skirt sales tax on internet sales because they are already not getting them. Nothing changes.

Bring in the store, offer them that deal, and the state makes more money...

Don't, and the state is status quo.
 
C-pher, NOT SO!

JC Penney, Sears, LL Bean, Barnes & Noble, Borders, etc. ALL would have to be given the same breaks and that WOULD cut into sales tax revenues in a very big way. NEVER going to happen . . . it violates the MA DOR Tax Code and would need Legislative (and Governor) approval.
 
I'm curious why now that we have LL Bean in MA....I've yet to be charged sales tax on my orders??

I just ordered three sweaters a few weeks ago, no sales tax. Just paid for the sweaters and the shipping.

Did Burlington work out something with them?
 
MA doesn't collect taxes on clothing.

C-pher said:
I'm curious why now that we have LL Bean in MA....I've yet to be charged sales tax on my orders??

I just ordered three sweaters a few weeks ago, no sales tax. Just paid for the sweaters and the shipping.

Did Burlington work out something with them?
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Jay G said:
MA doesn't collect taxes on clothing.
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JayG - MA DOES collest taxes on clothing that costs $175.01 and higher. Check out http://www.mass.gov/Ador/docs/dor/Publ/PDFS/usetax.pdf Page 2 Second paragraph states "The use tax does not apply to purchases that are exempt from the Massachusetts sales tax, e.g., items of clothing that cost $175 or less."


If the single item price is greater than $175 then you will get hit with the tax. I knew it as the "Luxury Tax" when I worked in clothing sales many moons ago.
 
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I make sure to buy as much as I can in ways that avoid sales tax. I try to keep as much of my $$$ as possible out of greasy gov't hands.
 
Cabelas is saying the E. Hartford store should be open Sept 07. A buddy of mine drives by there on the way to work, and has been watching the construction. I can't wait - although I sense this could be almost as bad for my wallet as getting the C&R license was!
 
At a zoning board hearing I attended tonight, the developer (of another proposed site) told the assembled that Bass Pro cut a deal to pay minimal taxes (allegedly $1/square foot = $200K/yr to Foxboro) as a "tax loss leader" in order to attract other businesses to the new mall that will be sited in Foxboro.

Puts a different spin on what Bass Pro did vs. the story that was reported earlier about Bass Pro and Cabela's approaches to siting a store in MA.
 
Well I think Mass puts out all of these restrictive taxes in hopes that companies will just pay them, but when too many companies say screw you we are leaving the commies seam to back down a little knowing that they lose more money without the company being there at all.
 
Bass Pro Foxborough construction photos

I checked out the area where the Bass Pro Shop is supposedly under construction.

Here is a view from Route 1 taken this morning. This area is located on the same side of the road as the stadium. It is located at the far end of the parking area tucked in the back—south of the stadium on the edge of Kraft's land. They were working today even though it is a Saturday.

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A closer view (before Bob Kraft's security guys could catch me).

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I talked to a manager at Bass Pro because some of you were concerned that they would not sell handguns. He was astonished that I would ask the question. He said, "All Bass Pro Shops sell long guns, shotguns and handguns. We follow state and federal laws." He assured me that the Foxboro store will sell handguns. We'll see. [rolleyes]
 
C-pher, I thought Cabella's had already decided not to build in Wrentham.

I had seen a letter from them to the town saying their plans were changed, and they were building in some other state instead.

That might have been a ploy for tax relief, but I'm pretty sure they have pulled out, as a person close to the land owner told me the project was off.
 
depicts said:
C-pher, I thought Cabella's had already decided not to build in Wrentham.
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I think you've got the wrong town. It was PLAINVILLE that was trying to get Cabelas - the town is still playing "catch-up" after blowing the chance for the outlet mall. [wink]
 
Yea, I don't know... There's just a bunch of rumors that Cabela's bought 85 acres behind the Nursery off of 1A across 495 from the outlets...

Not sure as I can't get anyone to verify. But the talk around some other stores and the concern seems to have people nervous. I guess that we'll see...

I do know that Plainville said no right out, like Scrivener said. So like the outlet mall did, they went into Wrentham.
 
C-pher said:
Yea, I don't know... There's just a bunch of rumors that Cabela's bought 85 acres behind the Nursery off of 1A across 495 from the outlets...

Not sure as I can't get anyone to verify. But the talk around some other stores and the concern seems to have people nervous. I guess that we'll see...

I do know that Plainville said no right out, like Scrivener said. So like the outlet mall did, they went into Wrentham.
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Well, whoever bought the land across from the outlets is clearing the land out as we speak. I will look into it a little deeper to see if I can find anything out.
 
edin508 said:
Well, whoever bought the land across from the outlets is clearing the land out as we speak. I will look into it a little deeper to see if I can find anything out.
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From what I've been told. The land that used to be the old KOA is going to be a super Wal-Mart. Not sure if that's also the Cabela's land...but I would still like to see what you find out...
 
Legend has it that what is presently Lexus of Norwood will become the new Cabela's when Lexus moves a mile south.
 

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