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Our 'incidents' are different from the norm. 30-40 yards for an engagement is not uncommon, as is our round count with multiple assailants most of the time.
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Our 'incidents' are different from the norm. 30-40 yards for an engagement is not uncommon, as is our round count with multiple assailants most of the time.
I shoot better with a revolver... & who the hell is gonna keep a 12 pound trigger on it anyway? NOT ME!
I carry the G23 now, I'd rather carry the G22, I wouldn't mind a G21 or an M&P 45 at all. I am comfortable with the 40, I like it, and I've shot it more often than the other major calibers. The 40 is street proven and very effective, and I trust it as much as i trust the 45. That said, I would be very comfortable with a full size 45, I think the recoil is a little easier to manage, which can make a difference on the street. I would hesitate on the 9mm as a duty round only for what I have read about the 9mm having trouble with barriers. I could be wrong. I wouldn't hesitate to carry 9mm off duty. I've never even shot the .357 Sig, so I can't comment on it.
I am retired from Law Enforcement and my daily carry now is a 1911. As a duty firearm for Law Enforcement, The revolver requires very little thinking on a misfire, just pull the trigger again. An auto loader requires muscle memory training until it becomes instinct. Tap, Rack, and Assess or Shoot, as the situation may require. There is also the issue or clearing stove pipes should they happen (Yes, I know, they are shooter created, but they happen) This does not happen with a revolver.
I don't know much so..
i hear so much about how nice 1911 are. Why dont any want to carry a 1911.
That, and I think there is some concern--however illegitamate--about carrying with the hammer back. Keep in mind a duty gun is exposed and always getting banged around in the car, and the hammer would even potentially have to survive an officer's full body weight + perp if he's rolling around on the ground. Not too much of an issue with the Series 80's, but I think the hammer back makes some police leaders nervous.There are also concerns about service weapons with safeties.
One school of thought is not to have a service weapon with one as it could be on when the gun is drawn and not taken off, delaying the first shot and putting the officer in danger.
First we have to look at the average amount of rounds that are being fired by the police officer in a gunfight. It is still less than three rounds. So how does that justify a pistol and forty plus rounds on the gunbelt?
With that said, I really believe that the police should go back to the revolver, They work everytime, on a misfire just pull the trigger again and another round comes up. No Tap, Rack, and Bang. The pushing of the pistol onto the police depts was nothing more than marketing by the gun makers, Since revolvers were lasting so long there was no continuing market.
So, If you look back in some of the works of the police gunfighters (Bill Jordan) and gun gurus(Elmer Keith) they came up with the idea of the 41Mag. though it didn't catch on in a revolver, the 40 did catch on as a pistol cartridge.
So I would have to say the best firearm for the police business would be the S & W Model 57.
There are also concerns about service weapons with safeties.
One school of thought is not to have a service weapon with one as it could be on when the gun is drawn and not taken off, delaying the first shot and putting the officer in danger.
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I wonder if those who question the accuracy and ease of use of revolvers have ever used one?
ETA the number of shooters who have never fired a revolver keeps growing every day so the comments don't surprise me.
I own several revolvers, including a Model 66 that I've competed with in IDPA. I'm not saying revolvers are inaccurate or impossible to shoot well. My point is that for a given level of training starting from scratch, an auto is easier to shoot. Also, the revo suffers from low ammo capacity and slow reloads. A sub 2 second shot to shot slide lock reload is easy on an auto. With a speedloader revolver, sub 3 seconds is world class.
There are also concerns about service weapons with safeties.
One school of thought is not to have a service weapon with one as it could be on when the gun is drawn and not taken off, delaying the first shot and putting the officer in danger.
I have never met anyone else besides me that finds a Glock to point naturally. It's actually the only handgun I've ever fired that I can draw and punch out with my eyes closed, then open my eyes and have have the sights perfectly aligned.I've carried a few different firearms issued by various departments that I have worked for. My least favorite was a glock 22. I'm not a big fan of the grip angle, nor of the 40 caliber round. Nothing against guys that like glock, they are simple and reliable, just not my cup of tea.
Best weapon for me was a sig 220 in 45. It had great presence and fit my hand perfectly. Talk about point and shoot! I've never had tighter groups with a handgun and love the da/sa action that makes follow up shots a breeze. I miss that gun, it's going to be my next handgun purchase once I have some spare cash.
Edit: iPhone posting is hard.
I have never met anyone else besides me that finds a Glock to point naturally. It's actually the only handgun I've ever fired that I can draw and punch out with my eyes closed, then open my eyes and have have the sights perfectly aligned.
I have never met anyone else besides me that finds a Glock to point naturally. It's actually the only handgun I've ever fired that I can draw and punch out with my eyes closed, then open my eyes and have have the sights perfectly aligned.
S&W Model 28 357 Highway Patrolman.
I have never met anyone else besides me that finds a Glock to point naturally. It's actually the only handgun I've ever fired that I can draw and punch out with my eyes closed, then open my eyes and have have the sights perfectly aligned.
Well, I guess I'm the 2nd person. That's more or less what happens to me, depending on model. They just "drop right into the slot". Glocks and 1911s aren't too bad, despite the difference in grip angles; M&P and XD aren't too bad.. However... If I pick up a newer HK (P3000, HK45, etc) I end up pointing the effing thing at the ground and I have to actually roll my wrists backwards a little to bring up the front.
-Mike