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I carry 151 rounds
That's quite a load to lug.
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I carry 151 rounds
The newest trend has dept.'s switching away from 45 and 40 and going back to 9mm. Within the last 6 months or so there has been in increase in this. St Paul MN, Texas DPS, Wichita Kansas, La sheriffs , Columbia MI, just to name a few. With modern ammunition there is marginal difference between the calibers as far as performance, however the 9MM holds more round, recoils less and is easier to train large numbers of people with. My agency is keeping an open mind about switching back to 9mm from 40. 45 was also mentioned, but few officers showed any interest in this with the biggest reason being capacity and weight. We are allowed to carry 1911's for details etc but only three out of 60 do,even the guys from our place who are on the regional swat team want nothing o do with the 1911 or any pistol that holds less then 10 rounds.YMMV
I see a lot of departments switching over to the .45 over the 40 or 9. The department I work for is changing from glock 22's to M&P .45's
I see a lot of departments switching over to the .45 over the 40 or 9. The department I work for is changing from glock 22's to M&P .45's
That's quite a load to lug.
I think a lot of this just has to do with the fact that the M&P 45 is a great friggen' gun.
I think the appropriate questions is the best police siadearm for what purpose and what benefit. Reliability? Uniformity of caliber? Will the officer ever need to carry it concealed? Capacity? All considerations to ask.
All around--I'd say the M&P. Why? Believe it or not, the interchangable grips.
While I like Glock, they're one size fits all. When my PD had .40 3 gen Smith and Wessons, a few officers with smaller hands actually had to carry the gun in 9mm because the tip of the .40 was too much. We found the problem was solved with the M&P due to the grips--and now everyone has the .45. Uniformity of ammo is important in the shit and streamlines procurement of ammo and accessories. The .45 also does not have the same kick as the .40 or 9mm for the more-recoil adverse officer.
The M&P .45 is not without its issues, chief among them it's sheer size. I sometimes find myself wanting my 3rd Gen back when it's jamming into my side when I'm sitting in the cruiser; the mag floor plates and pistol grip base have also torn a bunch of seat backs.
With that said, that's my opinion. YMMV.
Kinda like the same reason the Army has the M9.Problem is the same as the armed forces are facing: Simply put, not everyone is cut out to be in high stress hostile situations. Police/Fire agencies are forced into hiring people who have no business in uniform (of any type). Therefore, they are forced into providing a weapon and training that just about any somewhat trained monkey could pass. Reloading a semi-auto is simply easier to teach, although I do have some horror stories from reliable sources.
Kinda like the same reason the Army has the M9.
"We need a gun even the biggest retard can use. And it has to have a manual safety even though we'll never let anyone carry a round in the chamber. And they can carry it in a holster that sucks even bigger ass than the gun that's in it."
(Disclaimer: I totally love my 92F...for target shooting on the line. It would be a cold day in Hades before I EVER carried it on duty.)
I'd go back to single action revolvers. Why? There is nothing as fast out of the holster.
why no love for sig's ? I think the p226 is a kick ass gun.
Got a cite for that? I'm not following how something that requires two actions (cocking the hammer and pulling the trigger) could ever be faster than one (pulling the trigger).