Dealing with the gen z.......I swear some days I just want to say f*** it and head to the woods and be a hermit.

[SHOCKNAWE]

l

He will come around....or he won't.

My goal in the conversation later is to have him understand that you made a mistake losing the gate key to the fuel point.....shit happens.....but if he'd let me know it only takes me 24 hours to request a replacement from the fuel company......and just choosing to not fuel up just puts extra work on others.

That's how I found out....one of my other drivers noticed the fuel was low on trailers this kid had used.....and asked him why he wasn't fueling and the kid told him he didn't have his gate card anymore......son that other driver texted me this morning at 530am.

Easy solution.....I get a new card for him for Monday and he can use the penske fuel point today.....rather than just not fuel them and make others do it. Not to mention he had to be on fumes on his tractor this morning if he'd let me know Tuesday he lost the card this would be a non issue really. But the worst is the bullshit response about "I didn't lose it". Jesus christ.

But it boils down to this.....not doing your job and making others do it.....is f***ed up.

I'm all about giving second chances, I think it's good that you will have a man to man conversation with this kid and hopefully he will realize your message.

Owning your F'k up is one of the first steps in becoming a better person as well as an employee, hope it all works out for the both of you

 

[LT5]

I'm not in that boat with hr fortunately. My issue is really finding another cdl a driver if I term him. Hard to come by these days.

I hear this a lot.
Pay is going to have to go up for them at some point to compete with other trades.
It sort of gives these sleds an excuse to be sleds.
At least in their opinion.

 

[Golddiggie]

I have to ask, since I didn't see it in the thread, are these cards just loose? As in they put them in their wallet, or something, when not needed? For the kid that left his in one vehicle when going to another (yeah, whatever) get him a lanyard to put the thing on. Get one that has a tether (retracting) so it never needs to leave his neck. I did this for the badge to get into the club I'm a member of (once they went to the RFID badge system). I also had it for when going to the office and we needed our badges to get through secure doors. IMO, pretty damned easy to remember that, since he'll only need to think about it before leaving home, and when getting home. I also used to hang the work one right next to my truck/house keys. So easy to remember right there.

 

[whacko]

I hear this a lot.
Pay is going to have to go up for them at some point to compete with other trades.
It sort of gives these sleds an excuse to be sleds.
At least in their opinion.

We pay 32 an hour for a cdl driver....I have to pay attention to the market pay for new england cdl drivers and adjust annually to stay at the top tier for drivers....or they will leave for better pay.....and I don't blame them.

My drivers with their overtime make about 85k a year on average.

Younger folks are just not into driving rigs for a living......so the labor market for cdl a drivers is tight.

 

[whacko]

I have to ask, since I didn't see it in the thread, are these cards just loose? As in they put them in their wallet, or something, when not needed? For the kid that left his in one vehicle when going to another (yeah, whatever) get him a lanyard to put the thing on. Get one that has a tether (retracting) so it never needs to leave his neck. I did this for the badge to get into the club I'm a member of (once they went to the RFID badge system). I also had it for when going to the office and we needed our badges to get through secure doors. IMO, pretty damned easy to remember that, since he'll only need to think about it before leaving home, and when getting home. I also used to hang the work one right next to my truck/house keys. So easy to remember right there.

They keep them in their wallets. A lanyard would be tough because they have to reach out the truck wondow with the card to hold it against the reader to open the cyclone fence.

8 years at this company I've never had a driver lose one. Lol

 

[Golddiggie]

They keep them in their wallets. A lanyard would be tough because they have to reach out the truck wondow with the card to hold it against the reader to open the cyclone fence.

8 years at this company I've never had a driver lose one. Lol

I've been using these without issue. Reaches longer than your arm, so no issue there. Would also mean you don't need to dig out your wallet to get the card out. Bonus with how cheap they are (5 pack for $13).

These days it seems like those with brains need to try and idiot proof everything.

 

[whacko]

I've been using these without issue. Reaches longer than your arm, so no issue there. Would also mean you don't need to dig out your wallet to get the card out. Bonus with how cheap they are (5 pack for $13).

These days it seems like those with brains need to try and idiot proof everything.

I'll take a look. If I give them to my senior drivers they are gonna laugh

 

[Golddiggie]

I'll take a look. If I give them to my senior drivers they are gonna laugh

If they're smart enough to not need one, great. But make the mouth breather (the one you started the thread about) use one.

 

[Dench]

Funny. I'm in charge of 23 people. The guys 45 to 60 years old are my best guys. Period.

Have I dealt with some gen x that are tool bags....sure. but for the most part they work well and don't need their hands held.

My 3 best employees are 36, 43 and 71.

My worst employee who we finally shit canned was 71. A complete nightmare.

 

[LT5]

We pay 32 an hour for a cdl driver....I have to pay attention to the market pay for new england cdl drivers and adjust annually to stay at the top tier for drivers....or they will leave for better pay.....and I don't blame them.

Interesting.
That’s not much more than guys with a B are getting in lumber yards though.

My drivers with their overtime make about 85k a year on average.

Not bad for younger guys.
How many hours a week?
45? Or 60?

Younger folks are just not into driving rigs for a living......so the labor market for cdl a drivers is tight.

I hear ya there.
I’ve had a cdl for 30 years and I hate driving nowadays. Granted most of my day is usually sitting in a machine.

 

[MickeyD’s]

Because its just easier to deal with people that dont' give a fxck and don't care? My guess is your the one being told what to do...not the manager.

Because if your managing them its a fxcking nightmare. Add Diversity, Inclusivity, and whatever bullshit...plus all the hurt my feelings corporate bullshit into it its almost worth it......give up and just let the customer suffer because some butthurt 25 year old can have his/her version of work life balance.

Boomers were a PIA, inflexible, work long hours, stay til late, no work/life balance.........I worked most of my career thru that bullshit.....but there was a work ethic and standards and people fxcking showed up and did their jobs. I'm not looking to repeat it, and don't want to work like a boomerfag....and realize there is a middle road that can work. However.....its gone ass up.

These younger motherf***ers its all about them and their quality of life and work/life balance. Or they are just have so much bong resin in their fxcking head they don't have common sense.

In most cases..not all...but the bad actors that don't show up or do their jobs are all 30's or less. And some of these bad actors with the boss's ear..... have had some real good people fired because they tried and hold their feet to the fire over getting things done. Good luck....cause now these a**h***s that got these people fired....were to stupid to know that they were making their jobs easier for them....and now have fxcked their inexperienced ass.

Exhibit A

 

[PaulR]

There are very few people left that really want to work in every generation.
Every generation has exceptions to that.
Those exceptions are increasingly harder to find in the younger generations, but they are there.
It's like finding a diamond in the rough.

 

[whacko]

Interesting.
That’s not much more than guys with a B are getting in lumber yards though.

Not bad for younger guys.
How many hours a week?
45? Or 60?

I hear ya there.
I’ve had a cdl for 30 years and I hate driving nowadays. Granted most of my day is usually sitting in a machine.

We pay 32 an hour for a drop and hook driving job. They don't even have to peddle freight or physically work at all. Just drive to a warshouse....drop a full trailer....hook am empty....come back....rinse and repeat.

 

[Dennis in MA]

Funny. I'm in charge of 23 people. The guys 45 to 60 years old are my best guys. Period.

Have I dealt with some gen x that are tool bags....sure. but for the most part they work well and don't need their hands held.

Mmmm, part of htat is just maturity. I was watching some guy that was a SEAL and Delta. He said Delta would wipe the floor with a SEAL team - because of experience. They don't crack. They don't panic. Because they are all older. No 23yo Delta guys. All hardened combat troops.

Same here. I recall 30+ years ago when Johnny Depp was dating Kate Moss and taking heroin together. "F'ing GenX are a bunch of losers!" That was all over the place. Now, I think we were more grow'd up than the GenZ's today - although that's' the fault of GenX parents - everyone matures. So I'd rather deal with a 45yo than a 25yo every day. Of course.

All THAT said - my kids are all GenZ. All were taught responsibility very early in life. Definitely heads of the class one and all because of it. They'll go further than most b/c they learned those lesson early. So dads - do your job! Your kids and grandkids will thank you.

 

[Uzi2]

I am losing faith in an entire generation.

The entire world is, that's why they are being FIRED in record numbers everywhere.

 

[Rockrivr1]

I just fired one last week for performance and he was surprised. He’s in tech and he tells me that he’ll only answer his phone when working. He will not answer it during breaks, lunch and after hours. He also installed a mouse jiggler to keep his computer open and active so it looked like he was at his desk when in actuality he was not. Yep, gone. Don’t have time to deal with that crap. Now I have e to go recruiting again.

 

[whacko]

I just fired one last week for performance and he was surprised. He’s in tech and he tells me that he’ll only answer his phone when working. He will not answer it during breaks, lunch and after hours. He also installed a mouse jiggler to keep his computer open and active so it looked like he was at his desk when in actuality he was not. Yep, gone. Don’t have time to deal with that crap. Now I have e to go recruiting again.

Lol

We termed an IT specialist 2 months ago. They get to work from home 3 days a week. I get that as they can log in to solve issues from anywhere. But working from home....means working. I'm in a food manufacturing plant and they had a problem with some software system that prints the fda labels for the packaging. Line was shut down. Vp called her to report the issue and she said "I'm out walking my dog I'll get to in in an hour when I get home". This was during regular business hours mind you.....like 10am.

Fired on the spot.

She's 22 years old......was her first job out of "IT college"

 

[MickeyD’s]

I just fired one last week for performance and he was surprised. He’s in tech and he tells me that he’ll only answer his phone when working. He will not answer it during breaks, lunch and after hours. He also installed a mouse jiggler to keep his computer open and active so it looked like he was at his desk when in actuality he was not. Yep, gone. Don’t have time to deal with that crap. Now I have e to go recruiting again.

The jiggler 100% fireable

have to take calls on break or lunch and unless being paid for “on call”my time is my time

 

[whacko]

The jiggler 100% fireable

have to take calls on break or lunch and unless being paid for “on call”my time is my time

I'm salary so I take calls anytime even at night (I'm responsible for 2 shifts).

Hourly guys.....I'd never expect them to take work calls while at lunch. My lead receiver is an awesome dude....but during his 30 minute lunch and 15 minute break he is incommunicado......and I respect that.

 

[snowballs]

Still rather deal with them then boomers and gen X

Yeah because they'd tell you to Fark yourself

 

[Golddiggie]

Wow... That chick thought that it was OK to take her dog for over an hour walk during a work day? Yeah, not smart lady. Especially with this being your first position in the field. If you're the only person providing support, you need to be available during the hours expected. I don't think I've ever been the only person providing support at a company. Always been at least one, or two, other people in the group with enough cross training to handle things.

 

[MickeyD’s]

Yeah because they'd tell you to Fark yourself

Which is fine doesn’t bother me

Just do the job ..don’t cry , stonewall and sabotage because you think you “know better” …if you did you’d be in charge

 

[MickeyD’s]

I'm salary so I take calls anytime even at night (I'm responsible for 2 shifts).

Hourly guys.....I'd never expect them to take work calls while at lunch. My lead receiver is an awesome dude....but during his 30 minute lunch and 15 minute break he is incommunicado......and I respect that.

Salary too but man I’m not taking calls at 8pm or weekends

That’s on call and I better be compensated for it

 

[SHOCKNAWE]

Wow... That chick thought that it was OK to take her dog for over an hour walk during a work day? Yeah, not smart lady. Especially with this being your first position in the field. If you're the only person providing support, you need to be available during the hours expected. I don't think I've ever been the only person providing support at a company. Always been at least one, or two, other people in the group with enough cross training to handle things.

It's common for people to do their private business during working hours for remote people, some that are motivated will work 2 jobs from home.

I bump into people on the clock all the time at the laundry mat, grocery store and gym

I will laugh once the remote worker thing becomes a thing of the past because it's coming

 

[Fixxah]

This. All they worry about is skating thru the day and bitch anytime they have to work more than 8 hours......hourly guys too.

Do you not have a safe space for them to cuddle with a teddy bear or another scared Driver? Seems to me you need to do more babysitting to get these kids with the program. Maybe some dei reëducation?

 

[Golddiggie]

Salary too but man I’m not taking calls at 8pm or weekends

That’s on call and I better be compensated for it

I have my phone set to go into 'do not disturb' mode during overnight (or late night until when I'm getting up) hours. The days I was on call (was a week span for each person on the list) it was 9am-9pm. My DnD mode took that into account. We also got a little more $$ for those days. Well, at least until the post-merger org decided to do away with that. We would also get more if we were called when NOT in the rotation. I got that a time or two.

IF I needed to step away for any length of time, that wasn't during lunch, I would let the rest of the team know. That way, if someone was looking for me, another person could step in. Unless it was for something I was either working on, or not urgent. Most of what we worked on really wasn't urgent.

@SHOCKNAWE From what I'm seeing, there are companies/segments that are going to maintain the work remote/WFH/remote first mentality. No need to pay for a physical office when you don't need to. How much money would that save a company each year? Not a small amount depending on actual office location. In my field, we aren't working on anything physically. We would also collaborate with other locations, either in this country or globally. Hell, my last manager (and manager above him) weren't even in this part of the country. I also like how my home office is a LOT quieter than the corporate office location. Plus, no fire alarms going off in January.

 

[SHOCKNAWE]

@Golddiggie

From what I'm hearing they are realizing that with the amount of work compared to down time alot of the jobs can be done with less people, at my place we are building cubicles and getting offices ready to pull people back in, we already have and some have quit over it.

There are variables of course, I don't really care either way, I'm a Maintenance/ Facility guy so I'm here regardless, I'm not smart enough to be a remote worker lol

 

[CMEBoston]

Sounds like you need to re-visit the employee handbook and put a $700 lost gate key charge in there
Technically he didn’t lose it, he knows where it is

 

[Golddiggie]

@SHOCKNAWE Just wait until the tesla bot's are doing your job.

Jobs that list the 'on site' location as Boston aren't viable for people outside the 128 belt IMO. Well, unless they like spending hours on the MBTA system (plus depending on that running decently). I'm currently going after a role that the physical space is in NY (NYC IIRC) but it's set as 100% remote.

IMO/IME, any company claiming to compare about 'quality of life' but then demands 100% of their employees commute into an office location inside a large city are just full of shit. "We care about your quality of life, but not enough to keep you from spending 3-4 hours of your day stuck commuting."

People working in the field I'm in validated the work remote method during the pandemic years. Over three years of being 100% remote and we were just as effective as before that (if not more so). We also could work longer hours since we didn't need to factor in what time to leave the office to get home at non-retarded hours. Of course, we also didn't need to deal with people in the office hawking up a lung, or other distractions, while remote. Well, at least I didn't since I live alone in a quiet area. Most noise I get during the day is from the range.

 

[Mark from ?]

The jiggler 100% fireable

have to take calls on break or lunch and unless being paid for “on call”my time is my time

I used to work at a plant....8-10 hours a day....when Im there I am working............ After that, I was home and see ya tomorrow.

I moved...they kept me (for now).....and let me WFH. I tried training some people for my job and they were resistant and pushed back and recommended the business keep me on.......so for now...I'm working.

I told them call me anytime, day or night. During the day I'm working and attentive to the computer/emails/calls. However at night, my computer is always on and I will answer most emails anytime if I am home and not doing something. Ive answered emails at midnight before if I was up and just sauntered by checking.

I'd much rather work from home. It affords me a ton of things I couldnt do vs. being stuck at a site. Plus free travel back north to see my parents who are aging. That adds and easy 5K tax free to my salary because I'd be paying for it.

Did I mention working from a sunny 70 degree Lanai waterfront office in the winter? Or maybe answering emails from the truck at the range? I mean really.....after being an at work guy for 35 years.......I'm happy as a pig in shit. And when people say they WFH is tough...I laugh my ass off.

Added income of no fuel bill, and car miles and maintenance. Honestly, there are times I've thought of selling the second car and putting the money into an investment and just having one car. My wifes commute is 15 mins and I could drive her back and forth if I needed the car. Putting 25 grand in my pocket plus not paying extra insurance and reg....plus any added investment income...might be worth it.

But WFH.....added easy 10 grand to my salary thru not having to pay for a lot of stuff I used to pay for. ......I am super greatful to have my job right now,