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First school shooting of the fall
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JDL
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Yes
Varmint
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Which of these will fascilitate their total control of the people?
You have your answer.
Varmint
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I thought it was the M995 (tungsten core) that got complaints from Rangers in Somalia?
Were there other events where soldiers complained about stopping power?
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I don’t scream at anyone. My trans friends don’t scream at anyone. Unless you have verifiable stats, I say that most trans people are stable and peaceful. Just as there are crazy people in the cis population, there are also crazy people who are trans.
You’d think that gun owners who are unfairly judged because of the antics of a tiny minority would refrain from the same irresponsible behavior.
BroncoAZ
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The fact that there is a “cis population” rather than just calling us normal people disturbs me. I know I used it a few posts back, but I don’t need a new label because you and your small percentage of the population decided to be different.
We’re looking at two major school shooters who are trans in about 18 months (Covanent and this one), and a couple more trans/non binary shooters if you increase the time out to four years. I do think the antidepressants are the larger issue, but as a percentage of the population the trans community is showing their colors on the school shooting battlefield. In the past four years there have been about 24 school shootings, not all resulted in casualties. Four out of about 24 school shootings is 16%, not all trans people are shooting up schools but their numbers are statistically higher than their percentage of the population.
Cap'n Mike
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It was the M855 with the steel core penetrator, and IIRC it was the Delta Force guys (MSG Paul Howe) in Mogadishu who made the complaints in the book BlackHawk Down.
They were shooting it out of Colt 723s with 1/7 twist 14.5 inch barrels, so the lower velocity was most likely a factor too, as well as the green tip ammo.
Later M4s were said to have the same problem.
This is a shit article from 2008, probably planted by some defense contractor trying to sell the .gov a bigger rifle, but some of the quotes are worth reading.
What ever the truth, the Military has gone to different 5.56 rounds that work better in barrels less than 20 inches, namely M855A1 and MK262
Dadstoys
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Well you can start with people who say they are going to.
Not perfect but a good start.
You've got a point, but a LOT of 12 or 13-year-olds say a LOT of dumb things.
You can't mobilize the National Guard and put the local schools on lockdown every time a preadolescent gets pissy and posts a Discord threat because the principal won't let him bring his binder of Pokemon cards to school.
We need studies that tell us how often idle threats correlate to actual deeds, and what the other contributing factors might be. I assume someone with a badge is trying to figure out stuff like that...
FalArAk
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You've got a point, but a LOT of 12 or 13-year-olds say a LOT of dumb things.
You can't mobilize the National Guard and put the local schools on lockdown every time a preadolescent gets pissy and posts a Discord threat because the principal won't let him bring his binder of Pokemon cards to school.
We need studies that tell us how often idle threats correlate to actual deeds, and what the other contributing factors might be. I assume someone with a badge is trying to figure out stuff like that...
"They" should make saying " I am going to shoot up a school" the same consequences as saying that word that only white people aren't allowed to say without getting hate crime laws thrown at them.
There is no social stigma of saying "I am going to shoot up a school", but holy shit, if a white person says Voldemort the full power of the federal .gov will be thrown at you under the guise of a hate crime.
I realize I am being a little(maybe a lot) dramatic, but it is to make a point
pastera
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I never stated YOU did anything.
You can hide behind the "I don't know anyone like that" bullshit all you want.
There is plenty of evidence of a radical pro-trans movement that routinely uses loud outbursts bordering on, threatening or using physical violence against people who failed to bow to the trans agenda whether purposefully, accidentally or ignorantly.
I stated a very basic and compassionate position, you came back accusing me of "intentionally hurts other people because it makes them feel powerful are obviously suffering from mental illness"
Playing along with a mental illness is usually not the proper response.
There is no "cis" population - we usually don't add an identifier for normal. Identifiers are for things that lie outside the normal and functional.
You can be unhappy that I or anyone else won't be forced to participate in your delusion.
Like I said, I will always attempt to be courteous and compassionate until the moment I am required to partake in the lie of another's delusion.
chris_1001
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If only there were red flag lawz!"They" should make saying " I am going to shoot up a school" the same consequences as saying that word that only white people aren't allowed to say without getting hate crime laws thrown at them.
There is no social stigma of saying "I am going to shoot up a school", but holy shit, if a white person says Voldemort the full power of the federal .gov will be thrown at you under the guise of a hate crime.
I realize I am being a little(maybe a lot) dramatic, but it is to make a point
MassPete
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Crazy... Dad had him dress up with his cross outside of his shirt. Nothing Law Enforcement could have done there.
Dadstoys
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There is nothing in the world anyone could do by force or coercion that would make me call that thing ma'am.
You not a f*cking woman , you were never a woman and you never will be .
`I'm not calling someone with a three cornered hat General Bonaparte and I'm not calling someone in a toga Emperor .
Your mental illness is in your head not mine.
Keep it there.
namedpipes
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Is anybody else sick of hearing about nutbags killing people for the national attention?
Could we implement a 90 day wait period for news? I'd much rather hear about crap that happened months ago than today....
Could we implement a 90 day wait period for news? I'd much rather hear about crap that happened months ago than today....
MaverickNH
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Unlike a mass killer set free on the streets, the AR that killed four people in GA is just one of 20 million ARs with no criminal record. The killer has the criminal record, the rifle just has a serial number.
” According to Senate Bill 350, passed in 2012 by the GOP-controlled General Assembly, the gun cannot be destroyed. Cities and counties must auction off the guns confiscated by local law enforcement during criminal investigations within six months. Municipalities cannot go through the motions, holding the auctions but rejecting all bids. Unlike its victims, according to the Georgia code, the gun used to kill four people in Winder must live on.”
KBCraig
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Dad keeping that drink in hand the entire time is what we call a "defensive prop". His body language said he knew a whole lot more than he wanted to say. Son was also antsy, which is normal for a kid even if he was totally innocent at that time, but Dad was feeding him huge cues right in front of the police. Police picked that up and gave the kids chances to excuse any suspicions.
Police didn't want to find anything more than what they could see. They wanted to clear the call and move on.
2 kids were arrested locally on felony charges, they are still in jail as far as I know. If the statement is 'public', they could easily throw terroristic threat charge and let the courts figure it out."They" should make saying " I am going to shoot up a school" the same consequences as saying that word that only white people aren't allowed to say without getting hate crime laws thrown at them.
There is no social stigma of saying "I am going to shoot up a school", but holy shit, if a white person says Voldemort the full power of the federal .gov will be thrown at you under the guise of a hate crime.
I realize I am being a little(maybe a lot) dramatic, but it is to make a point
The problem is, the courts are filled with bond skippers, now that everyone gets bond. So no legitimate work can be done.
Some of my local schools showed up on a list that was very wide ranged today. Colleges, middle schools, all in different states. The kids in my class were a little concerned, but I had a co-teacher that refused to discuss it like the juniors in the class were little snowflakes. I discussed it in generalities with the senior class I had earlier in the day,
If they had the IP, and it was tracked to the house, these guys dropped the ball. I jumped around in the video a little bit, but it sounds like the kid was saying 'I didn't do anything', I didn't hear if they had the actual messages, but if they have solid info that someone did something, this should have gone further. Probably dropped the ball in getting a warrant/subpoena for the discord chat to that IP address and actually get the messages in hand. Could have asked the kid to download and log into the discord, his history of the conversations would probably still be there. If it was in a public channel, could contact the channel 'owner' and get a screenshot as well. I guess all that said, if you stumble across something like this, get a screen shot, a good detective can do a LOT with a little information to start with. I had the leisure of being able to dive deep into stuff, I wasn't hounded day in and day out with menial stuff. If something was important, I could push back a little and get the freedom to dig. I wish I could volunteer with the locals just doing the back end stuff on situations like this.
Easy to pick it apart with 20/10 hindsight. I'm sure they do get these types of calls all the time, same thing happens on DV calls to the same house over and over, people get lazy.
Dadstoys
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The part that bothers me is that the mother called 30 minutes before the kid opened up to warn the school and nothing was done .
That was enough time to have 20 cops there to take the little shit stain out .
From what I've read, which I"ll admit is minimal, the principal and RSO were enroute when it started.
Where does the 30 minute heads up come from? The mother? I mean, I'll go look for it, but if you have it handy, I'd appreciate it.
I can tell you, my kids' schools are lockdown happy right now. Anything outside the norm, the slap that button. I had a group of kids saying 'f that, I'm running'. I said, there's a time and place for lockdown and for running. If the police are coming down the hallway, you stay the f in the classroom. Mistakes happen, and mistakes in this type of situation are tragic. Cops don't need 500 kids running down the hallway while there's an active shooter, too many targets, not enough time to sort them. There is a reason locking the doors is the 'go to' in these situations. The last couple of incidents I know of, the cops were on scene quick and were able to deal with the threat in a reasonably timely manner.
I was at another school, some kid says 'XY school is on hard lockdown'. I laugh, no it's not. How do I know? My wife is in that school, she'd have texted me knowing I'd bring some hate.
"I called the school with a credible threat" is coming from Mom, a grieving woman with a definite motive for making sure all of us know she did her best to stop all this.
Her phone call might not have been as forceful as she remembers it. Or maybe it was; perhaps the audio will be out someday. But parents call schools all the time with all sorts of outlandish requests and demands. Schools deal with a lot of hyperactive parents.
With all that said? The admins were actively searching for the shooter before he opened fire. So it's not like they sat there with their thumbs up their asses.
It was being reported by some news outlets. I posted a Washington Post article with that info back on page 11:
Ah, I had read that but take it with a grain of salt.
Maxrobot
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Authorities say a loaded firearm was found inside the backpack of a 6-year-old student at a Virginia elementary school on Monday.The Orange County Sheriff’s Office says an instructional assistant discovered the weapon in the student’s bag. A school resource officer was alerted, and the facility was placed in safe school mode. No one was injured, and no threats were made. No arrests have been made, but the investigation is ongoing, Additional law enforcement will be at the school on Tuesday as a precaution.
www.fox5dc.com
6-year-old student found with loaded firearm in backpack at Virginia elementary school: sheriff
Authorities say a loaded firearm was found inside the backpack of a 6-year-old student at a Virginia elementary school on Monday.
Nomad3
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Sheriff's posting of the mugshot of a boy accused of school threat draws praise, criticism
Across the country, communities are being battered by a wave of school shooting threats, with a stream of emergency notifications and group chat messages sparking parents’ fears that their kid’s school could be the next Parkland or Uvalde.
apnews.com
Shame the little felons? Works for me. F those kids.
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