Guide to gun rights in your Massachusetts town

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dreppucci007 said:
Ok, I couldn't speak to him myself, but my friend did ask for me...

For Methuen, he restricts the first one...Assuming all is kosher come renewal, you will receive an unrestricted LTC.
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Don't you just love a Chief that has this kind of "thoughtful" policy? Years ago I sued a Chief who had a similar policy and refused to give an All Lawful Purposes LTC to my 25 year old client.

The Chief's explanation to the judge was he would give only a target and hunting restricted license, then, during the four year license period, he'd see "how he did" before deciding whether to issue the ALP the next time.

Keep in mind my client had lived in the town ever since the day he was born, and was a good friend of several of the best officers in the town, and was even acquainted with the Chief.

I lost the judicial review lawsuit. The judge seemed completely unwilling to overrule the Chief's judgment. I don't think the judge had ever touched a gun in his life.

Within two years of that suit, my client, who had already been a paramedic for about four years, moved out of town and became a full time police officer in a town in western Massachusetts. His new Chief let him carry a gun on duty, and even trusted him enough to issue him an ALP LTC. Go figure.

PS The town giving my client all the hassles was Sudbury, and that dinosaur of a Chief is now long since retired. His successor is much more understanding, especially since I threatened to sue him too.

Darius Arbabi
www.massgunlaw.com
 
I'm not certain, but I vaguely recall some discussion on that town many moons ago.

Try a search on the word "Boylston" and see if you find anything useful.

http://imhz.com/nessearch.htm can be used for the search mechanism.
 
Other than the newspaper article that someone posted stats for (W. Boylston was DOWN 20% in issuance of LTCs), no further info was really here.
 
Got a call back today to schedule an appointment for photo and prints next week at Westford PD. She also said as a new applicant I needed to come in for ink prints during hours that they do those. Is the fingerprint submission for the state background check done electronically?
 
jar said:
Got a call back today to schedule an appointment for photo and prints next week at Westford PD. She also said as a new applicant I needed to come in for ink prints during hours that they do those. Is the fingerprint submission for the state background check done electronically?
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for the ID, the fingerprinting of your right index finger is electronic, but when I went for my application in Attleboro, I had to get ink prints done of both hands. I didnt think that a place *had* to do all your fingerprints if they didnt want to, but I could be wrong. In the case I am right, it would then fall under the part where a police department can make any reasonable requests in terms of firearm permit application
 
West bridgewater may be red.

I am not 100% but I think they have a new chief. A friend of mine has lived there forever. Had his LTC for 15 years and went in to renew.

This was the long and short of his visit.

First , he needed to get 2 writen letters of recommendation from 2 people. (which he never had to do before)

second, when he called he got a run around. the first guy refered him to someone else. he called the second person several times, left messages and finally got him after 2 weeks.

the guy told him to just drop it off and when he gets 4 or 5 of them, he will schedual everyone to come in on the same day. My friend told him that this is not acceptable as he needs to get his done because it expires in 2 months.

the officer then told him not to worry if it expires, he will still be fine... [thinking]

Don't know... doesnt sound good...
 
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matt1956 said:
the officer then told him not to worry if it expires, he will still be fine... [thinking]

Don't know... doesnt sound good...
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sounds like the oficer doesnt understand the alws regarding the permits he is issuing! I bet with a lawyer, one could overturn this case if he went from LTC-A to restricted this time around
 
WayneWong said:
Just out of curiousity.

If I travel about with large amounts of money, jewelry, or other valuable equipment I could qualify for an LTC-ALP. However, with a restricted license, if I travel to the range, training sessions, and hunting grounds with Handguns and Rifles locked in my trunk, I can't CCW while driving in order to protect myself during a theft.

Has anybody posed that question to an anti-chief and got a logical response?
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In the past, I've been told by licensing authorities that "protection of property" was NOT a valid reason. This can be worked out several ways such as "I'm in fear for my life" because of the valuables I carry, but the usual answer is "just give them what they want."
 
Arioch said:
In the past, I've been told by licensing authorities that "protection of property" was NOT a valid reason. This can be worked out several ways such as "I'm in fear for my life" because of the valuables I carry, but the usual answer is "just give them what they want."
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Unless the "valuables" are your guns and the ammo for them.
 
Falmouth

In this lovely town called Falmouth-- We regularly have red stamped all over our rights.

It's funny how the current chief (on his way out) has a big portion of the force without even a lisence at all. (illegal) even the cops are supposed to for their job.

but i read that the new chief is from pittsfield and is even worse
maybe i'll move to russia, at least communism is dying out there......
 
Falmouth Sucks said:
In this lovely town called Falmouth-- We regularly have red stamped all over our rights.

It's funny how the current chief (on his way out) has a big portion of the force without even a lisence at all. (illegal) even the cops are supposed to for their job.

but i read that the new chief is from pittsfield and is even worse
maybe i'll move to russia, at least communism is dying out there......
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I think an on duty municipal cop can "carry on the badge" - at least it used to be that way. However, off duty they can/could not.

I have a friend who lives on the cape, he says the whole cape is red. Maybe an exaggeration, but he was pretty adamant about it, and I trust he would know.

A police chief isn't a cop. He's a politician. Maybe a few exceptions. I knew one who was a cop through and through, but he was just one out of a box load.
 
Just wanted to confirm that Georgetown is very Green.

Did my renewal last week, no problems, got asked none of the "optional" questions. When it came to reason for issuance the officer said "All lawful purposes correct?".
 
I was refused the first time out for a class A. Just recently submitted again after several years of the B in Peabody which was right on by the way.

Below was my letter that went with the application.
I want to thank you in advance for your consideration of my request to upgrade my Class-B license to a Class-A license LTC.

I am an honorably discharged vietnam veteran that previously held a Georgia CCW. I also owned handguns prior to that license expiration. While in the service, I served in various Law Enforcement and Security capacities, each of which required training in the safety, security, firing handguns and rifles.

As a member of the xxxxxxx Fish & Game Club, I shoot target and competition in Massachusetts and New Hampshire. Like many that shoot at the club, I enjoy practice with different weapons and calibers and reload much of my target ammunition.

I am employed by xxxxxxxxx as corporate director of xxxxxxx and have served in similar capacities with companies the past 30 years. To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing in my background or history that would disqualify me, prove me unfit or irresponsible.

I am a member of various organizations that foster good moral and ethical behavior and encourage active involvement in fund raising and support for many charities. Among these are the xxxxxxxx free masons lodge in Boston, xxxxx Shrine in Wilmington and xxxxx Shrine in Concord NH. As an active member of units in these groups, I travel in throughout the Northeast to parades, training and scheduled events.

Listed below are two xxxxxx residents whom I have known many years. Both are Class A license holders as well as long time xxxxxxxx residents. Both would be willing to vouch for my character and many of the facts presented in this letter.

Attached is a copy of my DD214, membership cards for the organizations mentioned and copies of my CCW from both Maine and New Hampshire. I offer these only to support my application.


I find with my current license I am limited not only in the capacity of a gun I can own, but many models and calibers of handguns whether they have 10 round magazines or not simply because a magazine with a higher capacity is available. People like myself, that shoot frequently for accuracy, the type, model and caliber have significantly more importance than magazine capacity. I am prevented now from owning the same handguns I owned years ago before all the laws and license type changed.


I am aware it is easier to get a license in many of the surrounding towns than here in xxxxxx. My wife and I, both licensed, have lived in xxxxxx nine years and I consider the town one of the safest on the North Shore. Largely I suspect because of an active and visible police presence which I always support. I advocate laws that keep guns out of the hands of criminals and others that should not have them or have access to them.

I prefer to avoid sections of xxxx, xxxxx, xxxxx and xxxx but cannot because of business or other reasons already mentioned. I hope I will never be required to use a weapon in self defense but I feel safer knowing I am competent and capable should it become necessary to protect my family or myself by all lawful means.

There is little to be gained I would think from laws requiring people traveling from Vermont to Massachusetts to remove a carry pistol to put in a locked box in the trunk on the side of a highway or parking lot before entering Mass even when its done discretely.

My weapon at home is secured beyond the most stringent requirements of the law and is never left where it might endanger anyone, be stolen or fall into the hands of anyone that might commit a crime.

I recognize that the laws in Massachusetts give the local police chief the authority over issuance of the licenses. I think I have provided the information and background data needed to help make that decision with confidence. I respectfully request your consideration to upgrade to the Class-A license applied.

Sincerely,
 
gene said:
[large amounts of groveling deleted]

I am a member of various organizations that foster good moral and ethical behavior and encourage active involvement in fund raising and support for many charities. Among these are the xxxxxxxx free masons lodge in Boston

[more groveling deleted]
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Bro. Gene, check out this thread.

I find truly it offensive that you are reduced to groveling to the COP in your town for permission to exercise what should be your right. [angry] We HAVE to get that discretion taken away from the COPs.
 
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Your right and it doesnt feel good and yes I am pissed, Its their game but its a whole lot worse feeling when I went to four seasons recently to pick out a 40 caliber handgun and the guy said I could see it but not buy it because hi caps were available even though it had 10 round mags.

The fact is that the politicians have given these cops the power to abuse their jobs and my rights. If you have a better letter then I would certainly like to see it and hopefully it wont be one thats gonna involve me taking the Chief to court because that just dont usually work here even when you spend thousands and wait months.
 
I hear the COP is an alright guy from friends in the town but he used to have a butt plug as an armorer in that recently went to Georgia to screw them up.

We have a new guy now and hopefully hes not gonna try talking a 53 year old vet with a spotless record into a gun that doesnt have high capacity or limit my handgun choices beyond what the AG allows already.

Like how many people that shoot at the clubs need more than a round or two in their pistols for self defense? Its Lunicy!
 
Telll him you want to take up bullseye shooting.

S&W 41, 422 and 622 are ALL "hi-cap firearms" per the hi-cap list and require a LTC-A. [wink]
 
WayneWong said:
Heard from an attorney that Franklin is issuing restricted for first time LTC applicants and Plainville is actually downgrading ALP to restricted on renewals.
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Thats absurd

Its the reason I've had second-thoughts about paying $Thousands to an attorney to fight to get me a CLASS A and when its time for renewal I have to fear being at this stage of hiring attorney again for $Thousands .

Even in green cities where the current chief gives unrestricted CLASS A, if s/he leaves then you have to worry about the new chief/captain

people thats spending $Thousands to get CLASS A unrestricted for themself ,could/may do better for the law-abiding citizens by spending just Hundreds to support groups/organizations thats fighting to make Mass a "SHALL ISSUE" state.

I'd move back to NH before I spend $Thousands just to better my chance of getting an UNR-CLASS A , and have to worry about being limited at renewal.



my .02 cents.
 
I had no problems at all getting my CCW in both New Hampshire or Maine. In fact they give me the right to carry in about 21 other states while my own state has denied me atleast first shot of the same right. So as it stands I can drive from VT to the MA border where by law I must then unload my carry weapon on the highway or a parking lot and hope I am not seen by an over zealous cop and put it in the trunk.

If I knew all my tax money over the years was going to go the these Bozos for stupidy, I would have left MA a long time ago. But then again from what I read and see, they are now moving into NH and Maine as well. Wont be long before they start screwing with the gun laws there as well and in fact they already have.
 
Gene, even if you get a class A, you have to get one unrestricted to keep it loaded and under your control during transport. I see how you're screwed with a class B. That is just plain ridiculous.

One of the principles of our laws is fairness, and equal protection under the law. It doesn't exist in this shithole of little fifedoms. How a local chief can make this decision on a state license is beyond me. It is further beyond me that there is no appeal on a restriction.

My license is restricted, In my case, when I am transporting my firearms locked in a case, I am a sitting duck for anybody who decides to follow me home from the range. I pray that if someone wants to steal them, they just take them without going to the trouble of killing me first (Philadelphia Style)

Now, if you frequently carry around any kind of valuables or currency, you can get an ALP in most communities. However, if you carry guns, you cannot.

Nobody tells you to wait for your house to burn down before you buy insurance, but you have to wait until you get raped or robbed before you can carry.

I have spoken to two attorneys, neither is interested in taking the case, at least not right now. I joined GOAL, gave an extra $20 bucks that I had available last week, and have emailed my so called representatives.

I am willing to march at state house if I have to. I am that freaking pissed about it. It is the principal. The 2nd amendment is an individual right, and every politician knows it. They just deny it because it politically expedient.

The worst shithole communities in this cesspool of a state have the strictest gun control. I don't have to name them. To the mayor and police chiefs of these dumps: You are failures. Find another job.
 
dreppucci007 said:
Ok, I couldn't speak to him myself, but my friend did ask for me...

For Methuen, he restricts the first one...Assuming all is kosher come renewal, you will receive an unrestricted LTC.
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Well, I got to ask a few more questions of the Methuen Chief of Police, and got a little more detail...

If it is your FIRST LTC in MA, he will restrict it...After that, you would receive an unrestricted LTC.

If you currently have an unrestricted LTC and move to Methuen, come renewal time, he would renew it AS IS, unrestricted.
 
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