Has anyone ever been charged for having an unpinned muzzle device on a 14.5 inch upper if the OAL was still 16 inches?

LittleCalm said:
Why do folks bother with pin and weld anyway? If it's at all inconvenient to p&w, then just buy an oxy mapp torch at Home Depot and some 1100 silver solder and take a few minutes to silver solder the brake or FH on. Can also remove without grinding out a pin too should you decide to change.
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I’m less likely to burn my house down going the pin and weld route. My BCM 14.5” upper came with super loud brake already attached, so house is intact.
 
Dench said:
Is the OP claiming he has an SBR that hes running a 14.5 inch on? [rofl]
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I have an SBR.

I also have a 14.5 inch upper for that SBR.

I want to pin a 1.5 inch muzzle device on said upper so I can put it on a rifle. At that point it would be 16".

In the mean time, I can legally own an upper of any length since I already have a SBR (with a NFA Tax Stamp). So, I can legally own an upper shorter than 16" because it goes on my SBR.
 
Reptile said:
I have an SBR.

I also have a 14.5 inch upper for that SBR.

I want to pin a 1.5 inch muzzle device on said upper so I can put it on a rifle. At that point it would be 16".

In the mean time, I can legally own an upper of any length since I already have a SBR (with a NFA Tax Stamp). So, I can legally own an upper shorter than 16" because it goes on my SBR.
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Years ago my LTC class instructor guy said if you want to buy complete short uppers, make sure to have enough complete 16+ inch uppers and/or complete guns to stay legal of 'constructive possession' shenanigans. For example - you can have 4 complete AR rifles and a couple extra SBR/pistol uppers, no big deal. When you have 2 complete rifles, 2 complete rifle lowers-only and also have SBR/pistol length uppers, even if you pinky swear you've never put the two pins in just to even check out what it would look like for a second, no tax stamp... insta-prison.
 
G4Y4HK said:
Years ago my LTC class instructor guy said if you want to buy complete short uppers, make sure to have enough complete 16+ inch uppers and/or complete guns to stay legal of 'constructive possession' shenanigans. For example - you can have 4 complete AR rifles and a couple extra SBR/pistol uppers, no big deal. When you have 2 complete rifles, 2 complete rifle lowers-only and also have SBR/pistol length uppers, even if you pinky swear you've never put the two pins in just to even check out what it would look like for a second, no tax stamp... insta-prison.
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I would never break the law but has anyone ever been charged for constructive intent for owning a fewer tax stamps than short lowers?
 
G4Y4HK said:
Years ago my LTC class instructor guy said if you want to buy complete short uppers, make sure to have enough complete 16+ inch uppers and/or complete guns to stay legal of 'constructive possession' shenanigans. For example - you can have 4 complete AR rifles and a couple extra SBR/pistol uppers, no big deal. When you have 2 complete rifles, 2 complete rifle lowers-only and also have SBR/pistol length uppers, even if you pinky swear you've never put the two pins in just to even check out what it would look like for a second, no tax stamp... insta-prison.
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"LTC class instructor" does not make one an expert or authority figure.
 
G4Y4HK said:
Was that wrong information though? It's like a 3rd grade math question - if daddy has 2 complete AR rifles, 3 rifle lowers, 1 pistol lower, and two spare 11.5 inch uppers, how many total years of federal prison does daddy have to sit?
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Again this is something they would try to tack on to a serious federal offense. Just avoid doing the latter.
 
Reptile said:
I have an SBR.

I also have a 14.5 inch upper for that SBR.

I want to pin a 1.5 inch muzzle device on said upper so I can put it on a rifle. At that point it would be 16".

In the mean time, I can legally own an upper of any length since I already have a SBR (with a NFA Tax Stamp). So, I can legally own an upper shorter than 16" because it goes on my SBR.
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You probably should just sell all of that stuff
 
Reptile said:
I have an SBR.

I also have a 14.5 inch upper for that SBR.

I want to pin a 1.5 inch muzzle device on said upper so I can put it on a rifle. At that point it would be 16".

In the mean time, I can legally own an upper of any length since I already have a SBR (with a NFA Tax Stamp). So, I can legally own an upper shorter than 16" because it goes on my SBR.
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You have an sbr? That's cute. I remember my first. Move out of your mom's basement. Maybe you'll have room to get another one.
 
G4Y4HK said:
Was that wrong information though? It's like a 3rd grade math question - if daddy has 2 complete AR rifles, 3 rifle lowers, 1 pistol lower, and two spare 11.5 inch uppers, how many total years of federal prison does daddy have to sit?
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Well, if you are caught transporting an unstamped lower and short barrel upper together, that’s one thing. On the other hand, the ATF got its ass kicked in US v. Thompson Center when they tried to prosecute for constructive possession/selling illegal SBRs.
 
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Tartakovsky said:
Well, if you are caught transporting a unstamped lower and short barrel upper together, that’s one thing. On the other hand, the ATF got its ass kicked in US v. Thompson Center when they tried to prosecute for constructive possession/selling illegal SBRs.
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What about all these 15-24 yr old black boys in Chicago with switch glocks? Are the ATF going after em and getting them in the mandatory 10 year minimum?
 
G4Y4HK said:
What about all these 15-24 yr old black boys in Chicago with switch glocks? Are the ATF going after em and getting them in the mandatory 10 year minimum?
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I get the sense that neither the ATF nor the Chicago PD are going after any of the hoodrats with Glock switches. f*** that place.
 
Mountain said:
Had that happen to me a couple times plus I've seen fudds get huffy over binary triggers that others had. Every single time I will verbally correct them that we don't need club members playing Maura's advocate nor do we need anyone playing cop at the range. Per club rules- pretty much anything but MG's are OK. I and other club officers generally frown on rule additions and specifically won't allow any rules banning items that are federally legal.

OP should know better than to look for assurances over these issues.
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new here.. whats a fudd?
 
Secret42 said:
new here.. whats a fudd?
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The term "FUDD" is often used to describe a gun owner who owns hunting guns (pump shotguns, wheel guns, lever action rifles, bolt action rifles) and typically cheers for gun control on all other guns but the one's they own.
 
'Fudds' refer to gun owners whose only focus is hunting or trap shooting etc. and so long as gun laws do not inconvenience their hobby, they are perfectly OK if anti-2A law tramples the rights of others. "Nobody needs an assault weapon" etc. can be heard from their lips.

The cartoon character Elmer Fudd is the personification of this-

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Secret42 said:
true, not tecnically new, but not real active here. trying to change that
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Folks are often skeptical about low post count people, given that .gov personnel and reporters have used this site for anti-2A purposes. To avoid that skepticism, stick around a while, participate in discussions, and perhaps join a meet-up or two or some other NES connected activity. At its core, NES has a great group of people who help each other out.

The premise of this entire thread is sh!t, however. Less than 16" barrel is a federal crime, unless you have a registered SBR or can legally own an AR pistol (and have one). I have a problem with threads that infer "Wink, wink, nod, nod- we can ignore the law" or perhaps are egging on others to self incriminate.

I also cringe whenever someone uses the internet to get cute with the questions, thus red flagging fringe applications so that they now become fodder for more anti-2A law verbiage. I was slightly surprised how well AI captured 'Fudd' in the anti 2A context, as posted by @chris_1001 . Before people hit the post button, they should consider how easily the government could use AI to mine for details to incorporate into new law, or perhaps even to mine for likely infractions of existing law.
 
Well, this is a stupid post. if it’s not
Pinned your violating federal law.

You can put a muzzle device that accepts espresso on it, but it wouldn’t make much sense considering you’re not gonna own one at least not likely at least.

The receiver would have have to been manufactured pre-1994 or else you’re f***ing something else up there too
 


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