Law check; Use of force to protect pet against coyotes?

gerrycaruso said:
I'd carry pepper spray. If something bad happens it will be quick, close and animals will be moving. Too much chance of hitting the puppy if he uses a gun. If he accidently hits the puppy with pepper spray, at least the puppy will get over it.
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Can confirm, dogs hate pepper spray.
 
LakeTrout said:
This is really odd behavior of coyotes. Are you tanking our legs here? Or is this really happening? Just checking.
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I think by "stalking", he means coming through.

Because of hunting limitations and shooting limitations in the city of Worcester, a quiet pellet rifle will have to do. It will be an inhumane death over a week or more, but it will die eventually. It is probably illegal, but the quietness and anonymity is what is needed to have any sort of way out in the city.

LakeTrout said:
If these are 1/8 acre lots and this is really happening I would try to press the landlord for a fence before trying to shoot the things as the best method of solving the problem.
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A fence isn't going to do diddly.


TLDR, but I did not see if he is tying out the dog, or has it on a leash.
 
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Ok, so this is what I have so far:

If he is in fear of his life he can use deadly force against the coyote. Shooting a pellet from a distance greater that X? feet might be a hard sell on that.

If he ties up a chicken in the yard he can shoot at a distance on claim it tried to attack his livestock.

If he ties up his dog in the yard and it’s getting mauled he can not use deadly force to protect it.

If another person is getting mauled he cannot use deadly force because he himself is not in danger?

Pellet gun is not a firearm so no issue discharging within 150/500 feet, but can’t shoot across a road/etc.

He can hunt with a license and in season with all laws that apply, but not in Worcester.
 
knoxy said:
Coyotes are funny. Up here in ME, i hear huge packs of them whoopin it up every night, very close in the woods. I whoop back at them🤣 Never bother anybody. I swear my dogs go party with them. As soon as they quiet down, my dogs, a fkin pappilon and a boxer mutt, come trotting back.
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That won't last. One will nip their heel, and it will turn and then the pack moves in. It won't trot back.
 
Individualist said:
This mentions damage of property, but not self or pet protection. Knowing how open to interpretation MA laws are I was hoping for something more specific along those lines. I thought there was a provision somewhere about protecting livestock, which might be closer in nature.
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His friends 12 pound bijan fris is live stock...lol
 
Coyotes are smart little buggers. They 100% know that humans are not a threat in places like Worcester. They have zero fear of humans there. In contrast to where I am now, if they see you even from 1000 yards away they are out of there. And not walking, they are running for their lives. They know chances are very high they will be killed. For a guy that likes to hunt them, it's very frustrating. Even when using calls you have one chance. Go back a week later and they still aren't falling for it again.

And like someone already said, no hunting in Worcester. If they show up every day then put out a chunk of meat with poison and tell nobody. But make sure to pick it if it is still there in the morning.
 
Dadstoys said:
With all due respect , they will tell you they can't/ won't do a thing about it but now if they find one with a hole in it , you will be the first one they come to see.
It's been the standard answer to everyone I know who's call animal control about them.
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I don’t expect them to do anything, but Worcester wants you to report coyotes and you can ask them under what conditions you’re allowed to shoot. So the call is a CYA move.
 
Of course, he could also use a Red Ryder or another small spring loaded BB gun. I take one with me when walking the dog in the summer. Not to kill the bastards, but to piss them off so they leave. Quiet, somewhat "rapid-enough" fire, probably at least 50 capacity, and have a small .38 as backup, in case they keep coming.
 
I always carry my byrna for early am and late pm dog let outs, loaded with pvc and pepper shots. Works mint to get the yotes running. If one wants to linger and stalk We have the Hatsun .30 cal break barrel which should do the trick. Put a little wd40 on the pellet, it will diesel and get that pellet moving to over 700 fps
 
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if he's got an ltc and a gun and a coyote(s) attacks his leashed dog (because it will be by the time the cops get there, right??) then that's close enough to be an attack on himself and he should be ok legally shooting it in self-defense.

if it was me I'd be sitting in the bathroom window with a suppressed .22
 
Ecocharles said:
They say that you can train coyotes to stay away and if you kill them they will just reproduce and you will have untrained coyotes to deal with. While I'm not a 100% supporter of this, if they come on my property, my dog will scare them off. So, now they are sort of trained to leave our property alone. If all else fails, I have a .17 rimfire that is thirsty for blood.
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You probably already know this but a heads up just in case.
Coyotes are pretty smart and there’s someone not far from me whose dog ran one out of the yard.
Once they hit the tree line it was 4 on 1 and that dog almost died.
These things have been fighting for survival since day one and most pets are over weight, have spent their lives on a couch, and never had to truly defend themselves.
Just saying, this can go bad.

ETA. I’m interested in the training them to stay away thing.
If you have anything on that I’d love to check it out.
 
Coyote33 said:
I think by "stalking", he means coming through.

Because of hunting limitations and shooting limitations in the city of Worcester, a quiet pellet rifle will have to do. It will be an inhumane death over a week or more, but it will die eventually. It is probably illegal, but the quietness and anonymity is what is needed to have any sort of way out in the city.



A fence isn't going to do diddly.


TLDR, but I did not see if he is tying out the dog, or has it on a leash.
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Do what ya gotta do and STFU.
 

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Coyote33 said:
I think by "stalking", he means coming through.

Because of hunting limitations and shooting limitations in the city of Worcester, a quiet pellet rifle will have to do. It will be an inhumane death over a week or more, but it will die eventually. It is probably illegal, but the quietness and anonymity is what is needed to have any sort of way out in the city.



A fence isn't going to do diddly.


TLDR, but I did not see if he is tying out the dog, or has it on a leash.
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a JSB Exact Jumbo in .22/.25 cal doing 900/800 FPS will fully penetrate a coyote skull at 25 yards with momentum to spare as it hits the other side of the skull. HN Grizzly will do the job and HN Hornet's Brass Penetrator will through and through.

A .30 cal pellet would be best, as you will be up around 100 ft-lbs.
 
Agnotology said:
a JSB Exact Jumbo in .22/.25 cal doing 900/800 FPS will fully penetrate a coyote skull at 25 yards with momentum to spare as it hits the other side of the skull. HN Grizzly will do the job and HN Hornet's Brass Penetrator will through and through.
A .30 cal pellet would be best, as you will be up around 100 ft-lbs.
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I know nothing of these. Are they silent, or at least quiet? Can they be bought at the local Walmart or Dicks Sporting Goods, where probably 90% of people might go to pick up a pellet gun? Even stepping into RWS or even Gamo Whisper are barely known to most people. I have a nifty .22 pellet gun, model 97 something or another, but it probably would barely get through the thick fur on these bad boys.
 
Coyote33 said:
I know nothing of these. Can they be bought at the local Walmart or Dicks Sporting Goods, where probably 90% of people might go to pick up a pellet gun?
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No, but they can be had at pyramid air, which is like target sports but for air guns. If you want to pick up a cheap shooting hobby that'll will greatly improve your shooting with rifles, airguns are great.

.17 to .22 to .25 to .30 all the way up to .50 cal air guns
 
MaxStravinsky said:
I worry about coyotes going after my very old small dog. I carry a .38spl revolver should it every happen... I don't know what the laws are about protecting your pet, but no way could I just stand there screaming while he was ripped to shreds. I will protect him and face the consequences.
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Well, in that case I would certainly have my lawyer inform the police (because I'm not saying jack to anyone other than my lawyer if I've discharged a firearm) that I killed the coyote while it was attacking me and my dog was injured as it tried to defend me. If a cop starts insisting that he wants a statement then it's time to inform him that I am a cardiac patient, my heart is pounding, I need to get medical care, and he can take it up with my cardiologist.
 
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Bear Spray for close range during walks. Then when the neighbors are on vacation and the coast is clear set some bait to lure them within the perimeter, wait until they gather, and cull the lot of them.
 
Coyote33 said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUgr0WHOBRQ



View: https://www.facebook.com/furrytailsofficial/videos/coyote-effortlessly-leaps-over-six-foot-fence-/1391276864613962/


www.cbsnews.com

Coyote leaps over fence to attack dog in a Huntington Beach backyard

Security video shows the coyote jumping into a fenced-in backyard to attack the 7-year-old Boston terrier named Sadie. Within seconds, the coyote looked its jaws into Sadie and began to violently shake her as she yelped for help, said the owners. Jack Reiner reports.
www.cbsnews.com


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4huU0x3cvY



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhYK8tKGiMo


www.backyardchickens.com

Help! Coyotes jumping fence

So frustrated. Seems like we fix one predator issue only to have another. Last summer it was hawk attacks, now I’m having coyote issues. I have 48” premier electric netting, and it seems that the coyotes are jumping right over it. Fence isn’t saggy and is full-power; no shorts anywhere. Coop...
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCDRHCX8LUo


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I guess my fence idea is completely useless
 
Check out edgunwest.com Has some nice exploding pellets. There's a dude on youtube that pops squirrels in his back yard with a break barrel and the pellets literally blow their brains out of their head.
 
Son just got home a little while ago after a visit to our place. Said there were 4 yotes in the back yard where he parks. Yelling, flashlight, rocks didn’t phase them. He had to go around the the front street side to get into the house. Time to take them out.
 
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