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Law check; Use of force to protect pet against coyotes?
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read the fine print. That's with horrendously light non-lead pellets. Which means supersonic clap that defeats the purpose of the airgun, and then transonic instability as it (quickly) decelerates. Run heavy pellets that make your gun start at or below 1000 fps. Same principle as shooting accurately with .22LR. That guns cylindrical magazine makes it a contender, but I haven't personally played with it, so I can't speak to it's power. I can tell you the Benjamin Trail NP XL put 14.3 grain crosman dome pellets out the barrel at barely subsonic speeds, and the first 3 dieseled and went through 2 2x4 posts.
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Last thing you want is a coyote running off and dyeing on someone's front yard in the city. So many looney leftist in this state that would be calling the cops. I belong to a trail camera group on FB to see some cool pics but you should read the comments when someone see's a injured coyote these wack jobs want to call a rehabber put food out for it etc its crazy.
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It is not just the 500’ distance from a dwelling that you have to worry about. You have to be 150’ from a road. There is no way in heck he can get 150’ from a road on that small a lot.On a 1/8th acre lot, odds are your friend lives within 500 feet of their neighbors' dwelling. So they'd need consent from the neighbors as well as the landlord.
General Law - Part IV, Title I, Chapter 269, Section 12E
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Before opening fire, I suggest they contact the Worcester Animal Control officer.
I feel for your friend, but I don’t see any legal resolution to his problem.
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I just ordered some Wolf Urine and 30-day dispensers to try around the perimeter. Son is looking into non-lethal pepper pellets/rifle.
I do have a basic crossman single shot 22 pellet rifle I may lend him in the mean time, but it is a PITA. I’m looking into a pcp multi-shot pellet gun that I might pick up anyway.
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I do have a basic crossman single shot 22 pellet rifle I may lend him in the mean time, but it is a PITA. I’m looking into a pcp multi-shot pellet gun that I might pick up anyway.
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You can't shoot it though because of your HOA rules right? I know you had issues with people deer hunting there too.
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Crossbow.....unlikely to leave a bolt in the animal if shot broadside and hit in the lung area.
Have to make sure the area beyond is clear because the bolts can travel far. We used them from treestands only in CT to kill urban deer. I never trusted shooting one from ground level unless we were on our oceanfront bigger acre properties.
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They don't have a very thick skull.
A head shot with a decent .22 pellet gun will either kill them or leave them riding the short bus.
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Partially correct.
Very nice 8pt shot 125 off a close neighbor’s house. It resulted in illegal discharge violations only dur to surrounding buildings/dwellings. ( FYI. Up here a shed is in the zone) Wardens took the deer. The young hunter was not charged because his father took the hit. They did give them back the head for mounting.
The town has rule that is not enforceable because we have no authority to enforce unless the town wants to pay 100% of costs to recoup a 50-500 fine. Good luck with getting that passed around here.
No LEO will go after civil charges. Only criminal.
In short. I can drop this dog without worry over any lawful kill within the law and any town ordinance because I meet every single setback required.
ETA to clarify.
The HOA only has architectural review and covenant controls along with taking care of common property and the beach area.
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Check on backyard chicken groups on facebook. Some people play talk radio and swear it keeps them away. I hang old pots and pans on my fence posts so I can shoot them with a pellet rifle or 22 to make some noise to scare animals away, I have yet to need to do so. Our dogs barking and going crazy seems to work for now but they are getting old.
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Nice but at close to $2K I don’t think so. A $2-400 lead slinger will be fine for 25 yards.
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Wrist rocket. Silent and cheap, it should certainly get their attention if nothing else. He's close enough to southern NH to get it shipped to a UPS store.
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Aim for the butt hole.
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Hmmm. Good idea. I think I have a couple and the pellets stashed away somewhere. Probably will need new rubber.Wrist rocket. Silent and cheap, it should certainly get their attention if nothing else. He's close enough to southern NH to get it shipped to a UPS store.
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OP's son needs a Great Pyrenees. Or a donkey. Both of them hate predators.
As for legality in Mass... remember it's the state that will charge you if you use force against a violent criminal.
As for legality in Mass... remember it's the state that will charge you if you use force against a violent criminal.
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I don’t shoot coyotes any more, I prefer them over deer or people.
If you do shoot one, leave the body. The others will smell it anymore stay far away.
Talk to your neighbors. Most people hate coyotes and will be glad to see them taken out.
If you do shoot one, leave the body. The others will smell it anymore stay far away.
Talk to your neighbors. Most people hate coyotes and will be glad to see them taken out.
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Officer, I was out walking my dog and the coyote charged at me and I had to shoot it as I feared for my life
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Thirwell1216
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I always enjoyed my 15mm German "bird bangers" with a little 6mm blank to set them off. The pre 9/11 ones were as loud as M80s. The new ones are still pretty loud. Getting the double barrel guns are fun. Pair a banger with a screemer (sounds like an old college party) and it will scare the pants of anything:
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Partially correct.
Very nice 8pt shot 125 off a close neighbor’s house. It resulted in illegal discharge violations only dur to surrounding buildings/dwellings. ( FYI. Up here a shed is in the zone) Wardens took the deer. The young hunter was not charged because his father took the hit. They did give them back the head for mounting.
The town has rule that is not enforceable because we have no authority to enforce unless the town wants to pay 100% of costs to recoup a 50-500 fine. Good luck with getting that passed around here.
No LEO will go after civil charges. Only criminal.
In short. I can drop this dog without worry over any lawful kill within the law and any town ordinance because I meet every single setback required.
ETA to clarify.
The HOA only has architectural review and covenant controls along with taking care of common property and the beach area.
They recently changed the reg from occupied building to building “in use” which includes sheds and probably out houses and lean-to’s. Worsening the set back problems that already exist; especially in the eastern part of the state.
- Possession of a loaded firearm, discharge of a firearm, or hunting on the land of another within 500 feet of any dwelling or building in use, unless permitted by the owner or occupant. See page 21 for additional gun laws.
Coyotes are funny. Up here in ME, i hear huge packs of them whoopin it up every night, very close in the woods. I whoop back at themNever bother anybody. I swear my dogs go party with them. As soon as they quiet down, my dogs, a fkin pappilon and a boxer mutt, come trotting back.
My couple acres are 2/3 woods connecting with 2200 acres uninterrupted conservation land plus another 4000 acres if you cross a road or two. We've pretty much had a live and let live situation with the coyotes. Back in TN had to pop one that was persistently after my next door neighbor's beagle. They seem to be targeting OP's puppy, so caution is advised. While would not at all call the behavior unusual, it isn't super common for them to come in that close on purpose- unless they are fixated on eating something. The airsoft isn't a bad idea if they can't be shot due to neighbors etc. Make sure it's a 'green gas' version. Most likely that will be enough to make them stay at a greater distance or move on.
I always enjoyed my 15mm German "bird bangers" with a little 6mm blank to set them off. The pre 9/11 ones were as loud as M80s. The new ones are still pretty loud. Getting the double barrel guns are fun. Pair a banger with a screemer (sounds like an old college party) and it will scare the pants of anything:
Bird Bangers - Exempt (15mm 100 Rounds)
Bird Bangers - Exempt (15mm 100 Rounds) from Wildlife Control Supplies
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRDDYEBs9K4
View: https://youtu.be/Xg5n0oI4SUo?t=148
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Asaltweapon
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I’m in Maine and it’s 300 feet.
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I figured you'd get a lot more flak for killing a deer than you would a coyote anyway.......Partially correct.
Very nice 8pt shot 125 off a close neighbor’s house. It resulted in illegal discharge violations only dur to surrounding buildings/dwellings. ( FYI. Up here a shed is in the zone) Wardens took the deer. The young hunter was not charged because his father took the hit. They did give them back the head for mounting.
The town has rule that is not enforceable because we have no authority to enforce unless the town wants to pay 100% of costs to recoup a 50-500 fine. Good luck with getting that passed around here.
No LEO will go after civil charges. Only criminal.
In short. I can drop this dog without worry over any lawful kill within the law and any town ordinance because I meet every single setback required.
ETA to clarify.
The HOA only has architectural review and covenant controls along with taking care of common property and the beach area.
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what if you stand in NH and take a coyote in MA. NH doesn't have jurisdiction of the coyote and MA doesn't have jurisdiction of the discharge of the firearm, and the law-abiding citizen was never in possession of the bullet in MA.
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Hunting license in both states?
