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Long range rifle choices.
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I would choose a Bergara over a factory 700 any day.
Factory 700 are sh*t. But something built by someone that knows can be really good.
Edit: they are not "sh*t". But the probability of getting a shitty one are pretty high. I dismissed anything Remington over a decade ago.
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Its a great rifle, but not much different price than ordering directly from MPA. And if you're a PRS member then you can get a discount from MPA.
But, if I were starting from scratch, then the MPA PMR with the ARC CDG action is exactly what I'd be looking at
But, if I were starting from scratch, then the MPA PMR with the ARC CDG action is exactly what I'd be looking at
NH Phantom
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Ya but ordering direct is 16-18 weeks out. I'll compare pricing and may order direct.
That's OK, you will be ready to send some lead come the spring. Good things come to those who patiently wait, besides you also need time to buy a scope.....
Look up what other chassis mpa offers, just to know what other options are. This one is fine too.
6.5cm or 6 dasher or 6 br or 6 gt - well, all fun. If you want a 1000yds rifle , a 6mm option is considered more ‘modern’, but 6.5cm will still work just fine.
Ps. On those long rifles a folding stock can actually be quite useful, depending on how wide your car is, as rifle case will be big.
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I was thinking a Night Force NX8 2.5-20 x50 F1 MOA-XT What are your thought on that?
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If you’re planning to shoot with other people a bunch and not just solo I’d go mil rather than moa. Doesn’t matter functionally.
I love NX8s and mil-xt is the GOAT of reticles.
If you want something a little off the reservation that I’ve been LOVING lately, Bushnell MPEDs go on sale from time to time on Amazon, $600 or so.
you have to decide what you want, what we think is irrelevant. i would not get 2.5x at low end on this gun, as it will be useless, so the 4-32x would make way more sense.
as of getting this model specifically in a $2k segment - there are a lot of options there, and you better try to look at them before you spend all that $, as to sell it will not be easy, if you decide that you dislike it.
of what i think. it is a heavy ass gun. you do not have to limit yourself with a 50mm there, you can go heavier, like a 7-35x56mm as well. read about it, do some research and do not hurry.
top tier scope shopping is way more difficult that a rifle shopping, you need to like the reticle, the mechanics, the turrets, it is a matter of a personal choice.
Best Scope for Long Range Precision Rifle
Best Scope for Long Range Precision Rifle? There are many "correct" answers, and I will weigh in. Factors include budget, type of
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ps. what he says in there, with 25x to be possible required max magnification for the 6.5cm is true, but with 25x if your eyes are not great, at 300yds you will not see bullet holes in the white paper well. a 32x nightforce shows them quite well. all my scopes are 25x max, though, and i feel no need for more, but, it would be nice to have it, if i would be shopping all over again - i would do it.
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As mentioned, great reticle but the mrad version may be better if you’ll be shooting with other people. More people in this realm use mrad. MOA is more hunters now. They’re both just angular measurements, but sharing data/holds with other competition shooters will be easier with MRAD.
For the optic, I don’t have direct experience with the 2.5-20, but I’ve heard the XT reticle is difficult to use at the low magnification range. I have the 4-32 and it is very nice, and the Mil-XT reticle is easily visible at 4x. The longer optic of the 4-32 compared to the 2.5-20 means it is also more forgiving with depth of field. How much, not sure, it’s just optical engineering.
Another option to look at is the Delta Stryker 3.5-21. Again, don’t have direct experience, but it seems to get good reviews.
Delta Stryker HD 3.5-21x44 Rifle Scope
Introducing the Delta Stryker HD 3.5-21×44 MIL/MIL Compact Tactical Riflescope - your key to unmatched performance in the world of precision shooting. Whether you're a dedicated marksman or a passionate hunter, this cutting-edge optic is designed to elevate your shooting experience.
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Of course, there are lots of other good options too.
I have no direct ownership experience with NF, however I have test shot many NF rifles and VERY nice glass. Where NF is held in top regard is with the F Class and benchrest competition shooters. NF is the goto optic based upon their precise turret tracking. I'm sure a few members will chime in with first hand knowledge.
so, here is a link for reticles.
theopticzone.com
theopticzone.com
theopticzone.com
other than an obvious preference for the mrad and 'xmass tree' - pay attention to the center, how some reticles have solid lines crossing there, and some have a little dot.
that small dot actually matters quite a bit, when you start shooting at smaller things at longer distances.
if you have a 1/4moa gun, then your whole target may be just 6" wide at 600yds, and you may want to be able to see its center quite well, unobstructed by the stuff in the reticle.
then, in some scopes - not the whole xmass tree may light up, only the lines, it may also be annoying. so, it is all about those minor details, and most of them do matter.
Vortex Reticles
If you are looking for a particular reticle for your next scope, Vortex offers a large selection for any hunting and shooting situation.
theopticzone.com
Zeiss Reticles
Zeiss reticles deliver optimal performance in any scenario. Elevate your game and achieve precise target acquisition with Zeiss reticles.
theopticzone.com
Leupold Reticles
If you are looking for a particular reticle for your next scope, Leupold offers a large selection for any hunting and shooting situation.
theopticzone.com
other than an obvious preference for the mrad and 'xmass tree' - pay attention to the center, how some reticles have solid lines crossing there, and some have a little dot.
that small dot actually matters quite a bit, when you start shooting at smaller things at longer distances.
if you have a 1/4moa gun, then your whole target may be just 6" wide at 600yds, and you may want to be able to see its center quite well, unobstructed by the stuff in the reticle.
then, in some scopes - not the whole xmass tree may light up, only the lines, it may also be annoying. so, it is all about those minor details, and most of them do matter.
you have to decide what you want, what we think is irrelevant. i would not get 2.5x at low end on this gun, as it will be useless, so the 4-32x would make way more sense.
as of getting this model specifically in a $2k segment - there are a lot of options there, and you better try to look at them before you spend all that $, as to sell it will not be easy, if you decide that you dislike it.
of what i think. it is a heavy ass gun. you do not have to limit yourself with a 50mm there, you can go heavier, like a 7-35x56mm as well. read about it, do some research and do not hurry.
top tier scope shopping is way more difficult that a rifle shopping, you need to like the reticle, the mechanics, the turrets, it is a matter of a personal choice.
Best Scope for Long Range Precision Rifle
Best Scope for Long Range Precision Rifle? There are many "correct" answers, and I will weigh in. Factors include budget, type of
ps. what he says in there, with 25x to be possible required max magnification for the 6.5cm is true, but with 25x if your eyes are not great, at 300yds you will not see bullet holes in the white paper well. a 32x nightforce shows them quite well. all my scopes are 25x max, though, and i feel no need for more, but, it would be nice to have it, if i would be shopping all over again - i would do it.
25x vortex viper 2, 700 yards.
For the price it was good, especially for my first rifle/scope. Id definitely recommend 25x
target is a 66% ipsc
NF is great.
2.5 min mag is great if you will be shooting at close targets. My hunting scopes are min mag 2x and 2.5x. Much better options than an LPVO, in my opinion.
If you wont be taking close shots at 50-75 yards, and this is strictly a range fun gun, why not go with something that has higher magnification?... something like 25 or 30.
Also, with 6.5cm at 600, you wont be needing a crazy busy reticle. This is assuming you don't go past 600.
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I'm probably one of the few that will say this but I found the reticle of my NF ATACR to be a little light when it's really bright out. Felt it could be a little darker. During really sunny days I turn on the lighted reticle and go from there. It's an awesome scope, but with that price I would expect it to be perfect and I didn't think it was.
Maninblue1861
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You a sniper or something? M1 garand is not that good at longrange is wut I hear.
Maninblue1861
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I with scope can do 1MOA with hordnay match ammo at 600 yards alost all day with m1 with tight barrel and tight stock. Regular LC and hxp groups get larger to 2-2.5. In earlier years could iron sight same at 300 yards, but nearing 50 my eyes are starting to fail so iron sights long range not nearly as good as was 20+ years ago.
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Thoughts on defiance actions?
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Overpriced and antiquated. Many better options these days. I have two from a while back and they’re solid I would just never buy one now.
They got bought/sold and when they turned hands the prices shot up.
They are very nice actions, but the price hike tilted the value proposition for them the wrong way. If you get a used one or a good sale on them, then they are still very nice.
Maninblue1861
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Not iron sight, but scoped m1d with weaver k4 yes. Haven't tried with my recently rebuilt M1D yet. The barrel has looser readings than the 2 i sold in 2016. .5-1mz 2te vs 2.5mz 3.5te and their stocks were GI bedded so may not be as good as those were.
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Weaver k4 scope at 600 yards,I did not know that 4x scope can do that(i tried 300yards shot with it on my 308 once,did not hit anythings at all).my weaver k4 is on my pellet gun right now,gona try and hit tincan at 50 yards with it
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