Long Range Scope

[Agnotology]

They are better because a leupold or nightforce can be zeroed, placed in a safe, taken out a year later and they will still be zeroed. They are better in low light and have better adjustments. They are better because the profits stay in an America and don’t go to Chinese communists.

Follow that rule everywhere and you will never buy anything ever again.

 

[lukewarm_fuzz]

Follow that rule everywhere and you will never buy anything ever again.

I usually just drop a “Sent on my iPhone” in reply

 

[Agnotology]

I usually just drop a “Sent on my iPhone” in reply

I'm feeding the Korean slavery machine with my Samsung.

 

[Broc Tuah]

I'm not a car guy so maybe my analogy of ferrari vs civic wasnt a good one. Regardless, I still stand by my original statement that you get what you pay for when it comes to glass. We can agree to disagree. It's all good.

You have to be very careful with "you get what you pay for".

Example:

1. there are a lot of $1K scopes with Chinese junk. But, there are also scopes assembled in China, but with certain parts manufactured in house (example: GPO).

2. There are a lot of sub $1K scope with great European glass.

An example of #2 is MEOPTA. They not only manufacture their own glass, but also manufacture for many of the $1.5K+ optics. You can get the same glass a $700 OPTIKA 6 has in a $2K scope.

MEOPTA might be the exemption, I don't know.

The point is, always do research.

 

[frenchman]

Monstrum? Dear Lord.
I don’t know your experience or skill level. I don’t know what “long range” means to you. But there’s no situation or use where I’d call Monstrum adequate, except for a medium range low power squirt gun. Arken makes good quality entry level optics. If you watch the Texas plinking channel, you’ll see quite a few shooters making 1 moa hits at 1k yards with them. If you can get your hands on one of the now discontinued Bushnell Forge models, you’d have your bases covered as well. I’m not a fan of Vortex, but I’m sure they’ll have something in their lineup that may suit your needs as well. Actually, your price segment is probably where you can find some offerings from just about any optics manufacturer. As @Broc Tuah wrote, research is everything (and half the fun/major learning experience).
One bit of wisdom from me: rings/mounts are important. You can have the greatest scope in existence, it won’t do you any good if the parts that connect it to the rifle are no good, you might as well throw rocks.

 

[MC56]

You have to be very careful with "you get what you pay for".

Example:

1. there are a lot of $1K scopes with Chinese junk. But, there are also scopes assembled in China, but with certain parts manufactured in house (example: GPO).

2. There are a lot of sub $1K scope with great European glass.

An example of #2 is MEOPTA. They not only manufacture their own glass, but also manufacture for many of the $1.5K+ optics. You can get the same glass a $700 OPTIKA 6 has in a $2K scope.

MEOPTA might be the exemption, I don't know.

The point is, always do research.

I agree with that. Get what you pay for is a generalization, there are exceptions to every rule. Meopta glass is great, but they fall short on reticle options when comparing to long range scopes from other brands. Definitely worth looking into for the casual shooter or hunter, though.

 

[MC56]

If you can get your hands on one of the now discontinued Bushnell Forge models, you’d have your bases covered as well.

They had good glass from what I recall the one time I looked through one, but they shot themselves in the foot by only having like 18mils of total elevation travel in the 4.5-27 model, compared to 30+ mils in scopes with similar mag range.

 

[frenchman]

They had good glass from what I recall the one time I looked through one, but they shot themselves in the foot by only having like 18mils of total elevation travel in the 4.5-27 model, compared to 30+ mils in scopes with similar mag range.

I agree that 18 moa isn’t much, but it’s an easy fix with a +20 base or unimount. That will get you out to around 800 with a 168 grain out of a 24” barrel, assuming it’s a 308. If OP is new to intermediate/long range, it’ll take him a while to get there. If he was experienced, my guess is he wouldn’t ask these questions here.

 

[Broc Tuah]

I agree with that. Get what you pay for is a generalization, there are exceptions to every rule. Meopta glass is great, but they fall short on reticle options when comparing to long range scopes from other brands. Definitely worth looking into for the casual shooter or hunter, though.

I agree. The reticle options are very limited and they have the worst website ever. I literally have to research what features a scope has on other websites.

I think they are starting to finally push harder in North America and designing new reticles.

 

[MC56]

I think they are starting to finally push harder in North America and designing new reticles.

That would be great!