MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

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chris_1001 said:
It’s mine. I paid for it and it was legal at the time.

Now you want to take it from me..?

Laws and all, read them. You swore an oath to uphold them and you are now not going to?

Thus I consider you a traitor to the US and the Constitution.

To the gallows with you.
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This is a correct answer- therefor I assume you would be someone who would tell the State to stick their right eye in shit.
 
chris_1001 said:
lol. Sure. I’m a troll. Not.

#NotthattrollChris.

You are pissing people here off.

I’ll absolutely stir the pot.

Just be prepared to defend your position
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I wouldn't be here if I wasn't homie... and if being exposed to someone with a different idea, who supports a different political candidate, or someone who isn't manipulated by an intellectually dishonest Twitter post offends you.... well that says more about you than I.
 
ThePreBanMan said:
Didn't the state already release records on gun serial numbers registered via FA10 or through a gun dealer to what license number? I remember going through the list and figuring out what the state knew I had, and what they didn't.

So - it seems license numbers have already been publically disclosed. All you need is the pin. If a license number (publically known) and a pin are all required to log into the site, your typical script kiddie could get in under someone else's license in minutes...
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No, they have not.

The excess disclosure was an internal ID for the license, not the license number, plus issue date (implicitly revealing brithdate). This allowed grouping of records by user - for example, if you knew someone owned an HKP7K3, Medusa revolver and Chiappa revolver one could find the database ID (not LTC#), find out how many people owned that combination of guns, and then use the ID# to find all transfers in the database for that person.

In my case it would be easy - I have guns from two specialty manufacturers, and I am not aware of anyone else in the DPRM who owns that combination of brands. Someone could easily use that information to find out what barrel length Python I have in my armory.
 
VTski4x4 said:
Let's get down to the real reason (not monetary) why people keep asking about grandpersoning. If their shit is grandpersoned, they don't have to make the hard choice- they can keep talking tough but wipe the sweat from their brow and go along their way. If they're all of a sudden forced to choose whether to disobey or not, that's an impossible choice for a lot - and they will be forced to choose. There will be lines of "come and take it" guys ready to hand in their shit for a $50 gift card.
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When the state takes something by eminent domain, they have to pay you fair market value. When they want my lowers, I'll show them Reptiles ad for $3000, that's now fair market value.
 
Rob Boudrie said:
No, they have not.

The excess disclosure was an internal ID for the license, not the license number, plus issue date (implicitly revealing brithdate). This allowed grouping of records by user - for example, if you knew someone owned an HKP7K3, Medusa revolver and Chiappa revolver one could find the database ID (not LTC#), find out how many people owned that combination of guns, and then use the ID# to find all transfers in the database for that person.

In my case it would be easy - I have guns from two specialty manufacturers, and I am not aware of anyone else in the DPRM who owns that combination of brands. Someone could easily use that information to find out what barrel length Python I have in my armory.
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Got it, Thank you.
 
ThePreBanMan said:
I wouldn't be here if I wasn't homie... and if being exposed to someone with a different idea, or someone who isn't manipulated by a Twitter post offends you.... well that says more about you than I.
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Lots of people came here (to NES) recently to compromise, they are gone. You are still here.

Good luck.

You can have whatever views you want. 1st amendment!!! You can rock it.

2nd amendment, shall not infringe!!! I’ll rock it

Winning!!
 
chris_1001 said:
Lots of people came here (to NES) recently to compromise, they are gone. You are still here.

Good luck.

You can have whatever views you want. 1st amendment!!! You can rock it.

2nd amendment, shall not infringe!!! I’ll rock it

Winning!!
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Well, my first thought on your first sentence is - how sad for us.... That people are driven out of a Second Amendment community because they may have different ideas on completely different topics - like climate change. The opposition is united in their quest to sacrifice our 2nd amendment rights upon the altar of statism. Fracturing our side on this position is not the way to win the debate. If people here are being driven away simply because they don't agree with every other position in the far-right echo chamber - we are NOT stronger for it. If that's how we're going to conduct ourselves, we will lose.

We agree on the 1st...

We agree on the 2nd...
 
ThePreBanMan said:
Well, my first thought on your first sentence is - how sad for us.... That people are driven out of a Second Amendment community because they may have different ideas on completely different topics - like climate change. The opposition is united in their quest to sacrifice our 2nd amendment rights upon the altar of statism. Fracturing our side on this position is not the way to win the debate. If people here are being driven away simply because they don't agree with every other position in the echo chamber - we are not stronger for it.

We agree on the 1st

We agree on the 2nd...
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They wanted to compromise

@SIGNES and others too many to remember

That’s why they left.

It’s not a debate. It’s the law of the land. Shall not!

If you want to compromise, there is a $50 gift certificate to get estrogen pills for turning in your AR
 
chris_1001 said:
They wanted to compromise

@SIGNES and others too many to remember

That’s why they left.

It’s not a debate. It’s the law of the land. Shall not!

If you want to compromise, there is a $50 gift certificate to get estrogen pills for turning in your AR
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I agree. There is no room for compromise in my interpretation and belief in the 2nd amendment. This country was forged in the fire from a gun barrel. Our founding fathers wanted to ensure every generation to follow always has the means to defend themselves from their government.

If people today don't like what the 2nd amendment guarantees, an amendment process exists in the Constitution so they can change it.... Good luck with that. You will never find, in my 12 years on this forum, not one single post, where I EVER advocate "compromise" on gun rights... Not f***ing one!
 
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ThePreBanMan said:
I agree. There is no room for compromise in my interpretation and belief in the 2nd amendment. This country was forged in the fire from a gun barrel. Our founding fathers wanted to ensure every generation to follow always has the means to defend themselves from their government.

If people today don't like what the 2nd amendment guarantees, an amendment process exists in the Constitution so they can change it.... Good luck with that. You will never find, in my 12 years on this forum, not one single post, where I EVER advocate "compromise" on gun rights... Not f***ing one!
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You appeared to defend the compromisers.
 
ThePreBanMan said:
I think it's wrong for people to level personal attacks against others simply for having different ideas. It's also not how you encourage open-mindedness, convince others to see your point of view, or bring people into your camp...
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This is a gun forum.

We are in Massachusetts, we need people to be pro gun and not waffle.

I will not give up my rights to encourage disarmament or compromise
 
chris_1001 said:
This is a gun forum.

We are in Massachusetts, we need people to be pro gun and not waffle.

I will not give up my rights to encourage disarmament or compromise
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Fine. But we should be educating them, helping them to understand, answering their questions, being helpful, and bringing them to our side. Not insulting them, telling them to go away, and galvanizing what they hear in the media about "gun nuts".. That's not helping... Not at all...
 
ThePreBanMan said:
Fine. But we should be educating them, helping them to understand, answering their questions, being helpful, and bringing them to our side. Not insulting them, telling them to go away, and galvanizing what they hear in the media about "gun nuts".. That's not helping... Not at all...
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You have no idea.

I’m telling my non nes friends all the shit coming down on them.

Brought a buddy to the mill on sat to get some stuff.

I’m doing my part to educate and spend their money on stuff while they can.
 
1911rnr said:
re: grandfathering section.

I understand it's confusing and makes no sense by design, but what does it mean exactly?

If I'm reading it right, if someone bought a stripped lower and never built it or FA-10'ed it prior to Reichmarschall Healey's 2016 unconstitutional BS, then it's magically a machine gun or assault rifle?! And ANY rifle that accepts standard capacity mags sold after this magic 2016 date isn't grandfathered?! How many X95's, SCAR's, etc., have been sold in this state since Jul 2016?!

This is goofy as f***. Why not just throw every LTC holder in prison for 5 years?! I can't imagine a court or LEO's interpretation of this. Very scary.
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Yeah this makes no sense, there’s so many mass compliant rifle after 2016. Pretty much all rifle in the last 8 years will be illegal. 8 YEARS, that’s longer than most people having their LTC.
 
chris_1001 said:
You have no idea.

I’m telling my non nes friends all the shit coming down on them.

Brought a buddy to the mill on sat to get some stuff.

I’m doing my part to educate and spend their money on stuff while they can.
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I'm glad to hear that bro. But that's not a permission slip to drive others away from this community. The more we have, the stronger we are.
 
BarnicleXHead said:
Yeah this makes no sense, there’s so many mass compliant rifle after 2016. Pretty much all rifle in the last 8 years will be illegal. 8 YEARS, that’s longer than most people having their LTC.
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There are only a select few legal (illegal) ways for them to implement what they are attempting.

I am postulating here but, clearly they have a boner for "ghost guns". My assumption here is that "registered" would be defined as serialized / registered ATF items, also that the date would change to enactment. Since the MA transaction record is bonked and NOT A REGISTRATION LIST, this would remain "enforcable" because they could lookup with the manufacturer when an item was produced and if it was post X date. But mind you that would occur at a trial during discovery, not on the street or at a traffic stop. So it would be yet another unspoken rule where you would have to totally get wringed up to call into question your rifle.

This would still leave to question a defined process for legally owned PMFs.

But everything is in flux still so... whatever.
 
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ThePreBanMan said:
Well, you seemed to celebrate their leaving. I don't know why anyone would celebrate people leaving our side... but there it is...
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They wanted to compromise. They argued that “we” were being unreasonable

Yup. Go. Bye bye.

I’m not celebrating them going. I’m disappointed they were here
 
Junior314 said:
Because some people are a**holes who simply come here (NES) to stir the pot. That’s why.
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Come one bro. I've seen newbies get raked over the coals here, even by moderators, for asking a simple question...

Ahhhh you didn't search.... Ahhhh.... how could you want a .40..... Ahhh...... how come you don't like Glocks... you so stupid.... or whatever...

Then they leave and never come back.. Is that helpful to our cause?
 
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ThePreBanMan said:
Come one bro. I've seen newbies get raked over the coals here for asking a simple question...

Ahhhh you didn't search.... Ahhhh.... how could you want a .40..... Ahhh...... how come you don't like Glocks... or whatever...
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Sure.

The people Chris is referring to aren't them. Anyways this argument is dumb. If you want to white knight for the lost go for it.

Edit: Grammar?
 
ThePreBanMan said:
Come one bro. I've seen newbies get raked over the coals here for asking a simple question...

Ahhhh you didn't search.... Ahhhh.... how could you want a .40..... Ahhh...... how come you don't like Glocks... or whatever...
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lol.

Agree, but you and I are not arguing over that.

These are not newb questions, these are constitutional questions
 
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