MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[VTski4x4]

Signes was the worst of the worst. A complete cuck. He would trade his grandma for an SKS and say he was the master of compromise.

 

[chris_1001]

Signes was the worst of the worst. A complete cuck. He would trade his grandma for an SKS and say he was the master of compromise.

Omg, he and a few others suck.

I’m trying to remember another guy.

@SavageShooter?

 

[tripper]

re: grandfathering section.

I understand it's confusing and makes no sense by design, but what does it mean exactly?

If I'm reading it right, if someone bought a stripped lower and never built it or FA-10'ed it prior to Reichmarschall Healey's 2016 unconstitutional BS, then it's magically a machine gun or assault rifle?! And ANY rifle that accepts standard capacity mags sold after this magic 2016 date isn't grandfathered?! How many X95's, SCAR's, etc., have been sold in this state since Jul 2016?!

This is goofy as f***. Why not just throw every LTC holder in prison for 5 years?! I can't imagine a court or LEO's interpretation of this. Very scary.

Not to mention all the legal “sanctioned” personal sales /transfers as well as preban sales during that time.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

I've read through the summary. Unless I missed it the bans on carrying on both public and private property are gone. Did I miss that or is that gone from the bill now?

That is in the house bill. The committee will decide whether or not it is included.

 

[p..]

Fingers crossed.

 

[71montess]

Care to clarify that?

Have the courage to stand by your convictions, if you think it’s a right to own a semiauto gun without the States permission, don’t ask for permisssion.

 

[VTski4x4]

Fingers crossed.

FPC filed a petition for writ - it hasn't been granted Cert.

 

[LakeTrout]

I use my time to try and make a difference any way I can. You are using your time to shit on those who are trying. I am thankful everyday our forefathers did not think as you do when faced with fighting the most powerful military in the world.

You’ve got it completely opposite. Your forefathers would say you’re delusional for doing what you think you’re doing to make a difference. Clearly it doesn’t make a differences. These people went out and did things that did make a difference and most of them lost a hell of a lot, suffered, or got killed doing it.

Thats cute you think donating helps though. Donate to me. I promise I’ll try to ask your overlords not to hurt you where you’re sensitive.

 

[Woodsloafer]

Signes was the worst of the worst. A complete cuck. He would trade his grandma for an SKS and say he was the master of compromise.

I said it a few times, he/she was a state shill, not sure why people kept interacting with him/her.

 

[Woodsloafer]

Omg, he and a few others suck.

I’m trying to remember another guy.

@SavageShooter?

Another state plant, guaranteed, I called that one too, disappeared after the House passed their version.

 

[chris_1001]

Another state plant, guaranteed, I called that one too.

He ignored me. Sniff

He was a plant for sure

 

[p..]

FPC filed a petition for writ - it hasn't been granted Cert.

Yet?

 

[chris_1001]

Just assume everything is illegal. Light up a stogie and embrace the art of not giving a f***.

Speaking from personal experience it works wonders. Not a lick of any of this is constitutional.

I love it when a plan comes together… GP..

 

[Picton]

Signes was the worst of the worst. A complete cuck. He would trade his grandma for an SKS and say he was the master of compromise.

Well, hold on just a second... what kind of SKS? Sino-Soviet?

...I mean...

 

[chris_1001]

Ok, I’m getting pissed.

If I/we/us were in another state, this would not be an issue. 30 Miles north and a whole different conversation

 

[Agnotology]

Signes was the worst of the worst. A complete cuck. He would trade his grandma for an SKS and say he was the master of compromise.

To be fair, she's dead, and an SKS is forever.

 

[Broc Tuah]

Ok, I’m getting pissed.

If I/we/us were in another state, this would not be an issue. 30 Miles north and a whole different conversation

you posted this around 10. 4 drinks, maybe 5 so far?

 

[chris_1001]

you posted this around 10. 4 drinks, maybe 5 so far?

No comment

 

[Ron Jablonski]

Fingers crossed.

If that boner posts a video titled "amazing news" or "we won" I'll guarantee you it's not and we didn't. I know he's pro 2a and a lawyer, but he's just another YouTube click bait account.

 

[Hardwired]

Possibly yes, the word registration is being used as a synonym for E-FA-10. The E-FA-10 system may not be a registry in name, but it is absolutely one in practice. There is even a “registration” option in the portal and various PDs have used it as a legitimate registration in the traditional sense of the word.

The other option would be for the FRB to develop an actual gun registration system that does more than simply register transactions of guns, and transfer all of the records in the E-FA-10 database into the new registration system.

The registry is now public. Who got their peepee slapped for that release?

 

[Hardwired]

They will have truckloads of ballots ready to go.

From Long Island to PA again I’m sure. Mass printed in ROC.

 

[Hardwired]

Assuming this BS goes through (and it will), how are they going to notify LTC holders of the new law? Just assume I read NES and should know?

Op-ed in the Boston Globe.

 

[Hardwired]

Make sure to wear your carhartt and jeans in the registration line, cant let CT show MA up

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The second in the line there is displaying his LTC “my name is” proudly on the badge tag. I guess it really doesn’t matter as the face recognition scans are dumped into the
Assalt Weaponz list.

 

[Hardwired]

Honestly? Even I'm thinking about getting a Glock. Lol.

Really you don’t have a Glock? Why do marxists hate Glocks, the PD carry’s them and so don’t the criminals that they let go back on the street.

 

[AmeriKHAN]

If that boner posts a video titled "amazing news" or "we won" I'll guarantee you it's not and we didn't. I know he's pro 2a and a lawyer, but he's just another YouTube click bait account.

BREAKING NEWS!! SUPEME COURT 6-3 DECISION ON AWB!!! STATES: I CAN SEE 3-6 INCHES OF MY PENIS!!! HUGE 2A WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CatSnoutSoup]

Ain't a law yet. And being a pussy about it is what they want to happen. Just buy what you can, when you can., as much as you can. Even if they SAY it is illegal, if you can buy it, buy it. Eff em.

And be prepared to build what you can thereafter.

 

[HARRYM]

BREAKING NEWS!! SUPEME COURT 6-3 DECISION ON AWB!!! STATES: I CAN SEE 3-6 INCHES OF MY PENIS!!! HUGE 2A WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great, but never forget that had Hillary won it would have been 6-3 supporting the ban. A pat on the back is only a couple of feet away from a kick in the ass.

 

[p..]

FPC filed a petition for writ - it hasn't been granted Cert.

 

[VTski4x4]

Not sure why you quoted me. They weren't granted Cert by SCOTUS, they just filed a petition of writ like I already said.

 

[pastera]

Goal posted the Senate language on their facebook page earlier today

Amendment S.2584

malegislature.gov

So they didn't actually include a real grandfathering clause

182 ... ; provided further, that the weapon
183 shall not be considered a copy or duplicate if the weapon was owned and registered in the
184 commonwealth prior to July 20, 2016; provided further, that a weapon shall not be considered a
185 copy or duplicate if the weapon was owned and registered in the commonwealth prior to July 20,
186 2016; provided further, that if a weapon, as manufactured or originally assembled, is an assault
187 weapon, it shall remain an assault weapon even if it is altered by the seller, unless it has been
188 rendered permanently inoperable or otherwise rendered permanently unable to be designated as a
189 semiautomatic assault weapon; and provided further, that the previous proviso shall not apply to
190 copies and duplicates of a weapon identified in said subclauses (a) to (i), inclusive, of said clause
191 (i) that were sold, owned and registered prior to July 20, 2016.

They screwed up the text by including both amendment 11 and 11.1 - the same text from 182->184 is included in 184->186

The clause "and provided further, that the previous proviso shall not apply to" is quite ambiguous since if we back up to the previous "provided" we get

186 2016; provided further, that if a weapon, as manufactured or originally assembled, is an assault
187 weapon, it shall remain an assault weapon even if it is altered by the seller, unless it has been
188 rendered permanently inoperable or otherwise rendered permanently unable to be designated as a
189 semiautomatic assault weapon;"

So any "copies and duplicates" of enumerated guns are always an assault weapon - does this mean you can have all of the scary, evil features? or does it mean that they are banned since the once an assault weapon, always an assault weapon?

However this now creates an ex post facto law and taking since the state continued to accept transfers in the eFA-10 system of known and obvious "copies and duplicates" well past July 2016. Further, no OFFICIAL notice was actually given at that time since that I am aware of - an unsigned letter presented at a press conference is unlikely to rise to clear legal notice of change in law or regulation.