What it comes down to is that nothing anyone tells you will ever satisfy you short of GOAL somehow convincing the legislature to abolish all of the state’s gun laws, which is never going to happen. The only way to see true change in MA gun laws is to vote out anti-gun politicians, which is literally impossible for the foreseeable future.
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MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor
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Regarding grandfathering, my take is they know they will need to have language that allows legally purchased Firearms to be legally retained after this law goes into affect. No way they think they will be successful at legally confiscation. They just don't want to disclose this as they know it will cause mass purchasing of any sort of semi auto AWBesque weapon. Don't take the bait. Buy now....
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You remember November 2, 1976? The state ballot measure to flat-out ban private ownership of handguns completely? (Yes, with no grandfathering!!11!!) The measure that had the usual "overwhelming public support" and that everybody thought would pass, with other states watching intently and ready to follow suit?
GOAL was started to oppose that. GOAL succeeded. It went down in flames, like 70/30. Arguably the whole country owes GOAL one for that.
So, yeah, I hate the state of things, but if you're going to talk 50 years you can can find one hell of an outright win. I do believe they've done a lot of good since, but it's backroom deals and influence and not stuff in the public eye because that's how shit works here.
The thing is, there is not much GOAL could do.
There is no negotiation here, politicians are not split. There is nothing you can exchange or compromise on to make it less sh*tty.
So all GOAL or anyone else can try to do is convince them to add some condiments to the turd sandwich, but no matter what you are eating a turd sandwich.
As far as actions, GOAL has said they plan to take this to the courts and I am sure COMM2A will be all over it (I hope). But they have to wait for this.
I just hope GOAL didn't help so much that it will make it harder to fight in courts. But that is another issue and some believe no matter how bad this is, the liberal courts won't give a sh*t.
The last thing we need is people saying negative sh*t about GOAL and COMM2A right now.
To all those hating on GOAL (not directed at you Sparky), are you guys putting your own money to fight this? ... if you are not, consider shutting up. B*tching is too easy, but doing something takes work. So what are you doing?
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You guys can hate me for this. but I always just spent the extra money so I didn’t have to deal with any of these problems. but as I’ve said, I’d be willing to give up all their value to let everybody have whatever the f*** they want.
The new law is complete nonsense. I’m confidential pass, and I’m confident the courts will jerk us around. I’m not completely confident that the Supreme Court is going to bitch slap it down because who knows who might be on it by the time it actually gets there. This is blatantly unconstitutional And goes against the Supreme Court rulings already…. But none of that matters because even if we “win” they’ll just pass another one what they need to do is issue a stay on all this shit until it gets to the Supreme Court don’t pass the law enforce it until it’s ruled constitutional.
And besides, there’s enough people in this state that don’t even read the f***ing laws or have any clue about any of this happening so they’re felons without even knowing it the only difference is is, it’ll be challenging to buy the stuff at a gun store. Just be really careful buying private party.
The new law is complete nonsense. I’m confidential pass, and I’m confident the courts will jerk us around. I’m not completely confident that the Supreme Court is going to bitch slap it down because who knows who might be on it by the time it actually gets there. This is blatantly unconstitutional And goes against the Supreme Court rulings already…. But none of that matters because even if we “win” they’ll just pass another one what they need to do is issue a stay on all this shit until it gets to the Supreme Court don’t pass the law enforce it until it’s ruled constitutional.
And besides, there’s enough people in this state that don’t even read the f***ing laws or have any clue about any of this happening so they’re felons without even knowing it the only difference is is, it’ll be challenging to buy the stuff at a gun store. Just be really careful buying private party.
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This would only be cool if it was a shotgun and the barrel telescoped out to 16 inches as the stock came out. Now that would be pretty bad ass.
That wouldn't be hard to do, except for the part of getting the barrel to stay extended, if you want to be able to do it fast. If you want to take your time, then it wouldn't be hard to do. Telescope barrel out, twist so it stays in place, shoot. This stuff exists, just not for a shotgun.
But Flux Rider, bruh. That is a solid product name.
HARRYM
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Well, based on how poorly I managed my bond funds over the last 3 years I would have been better off hiring a manager and losing the 3% but that's for another day....
I am not fed up with GOAL or COMM2A, not at all. They are battle tested and won't say a whole lot until the final bill. I'm sure that they are lobbying behind the scenes as well.
This is going to be a marathon. Think long term.
Roadglide
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Simple yes if everyone thought like that. But the hard reality is not many in this state do. We’re severely outnumbered. When you realize that compromise while it does suck, unless scotus delivers the mother of all bitch slaps, it’s where we’re at.
Taipan01
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They do it for batons, you just need to whip it, whip it good.
Anyway, at this point what I'd like to see is GOAL accomplish is to resolve the ambiguity of how all these proposed gun laws are written and make some headway pointing out that some of the things such as taking pop shots at cops or buildings is somehow more criminal today then yesterday and perhaps they should enforce what's already there. There's also such things as the all encompassing ban on firearms that can accept a detachable mag. They'll get my 10/22 from my cold dead hands, that's what they'll get. First thing I reach for is my mark IV when somethings afoot. Another want would be gathering enough information to perhaps joining with other suits more advanced in the judicial system. Maybe my sights are set a little too low for some but they are going to do what they want and will have to be decided in court.
the 5A and eminent domain does not apply to our guns.
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Yes. But can they do that today, please?
I really do not get it. Don't they read the newspapers? Don't they keep up on latest court decisions? Are they totally insulated from everything that happens outside of DC?
Why is there no responsive action? My guess is they are also bought and paid for, and totally complicit in this whole thing.
GOAL is all we’ve got. If you have an LTC in this state there is no reason not to send them the $30 and join.
I met a guy at Cabelas in Hudson one day that never heard of GOAL but was supporting NRA for years. Told him to get with the program buddy but he was indifferent.
HARRYM
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You are aware of course that GOAL is the officiaL state association of the NRA right.
I think she remembers how sore her neck muscles and knees used to feel after blowing her way through the political heirarchy. She knows she’s feels full of…
SCOTUS is well aware of the issues going on around the country. They just historically don’t like to get involved until a case has been litigated to completion.
As a general matter, SCOTUS hates to get involved with cases that are on interlocutory appeal, meaning there hasn’t been a final judgement in the case. This is because they prefer to wait and make sure they have the most complete record in front of them when they make a decision. Anything SCOTUS does has the potential to affect the entire country, so they want to do their best to avoid making a mistake.
All of these cases in the post-Bruen era are still in their infancy, relatively speaking. They want to give the inferior courts as much benefit of the doubt as possible. SCOTUS not acting isn’t an indication that they’re not sensitive to the issues going on with 2A cases around the country. It’s showing respect to the courts’ procedures in managing their own dockets. Procedural posture is very important to them.
Fact of the matter is, until one of these cases reaches SCOTUS on a final judgement, nothing is going to happen.
Yeah GOAL is the local state affiliate of the NRA and they openly praise and support the NRA on multiple occasions
HARRYM
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As the NRA supports them....I know we aren't allowed to talk about that but just throwing it out there.....
HARRYM
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More than $35K in cash, drugs, 4 guns found in search in Boston, police say
Police said they discovered four loaded 9mm caliber firearms, roughly 2,151 grams of illegal drugs and around $35,412 in cash.
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Police arrest four men in connection to string of restaurant thefts
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Lowell PD: Warrant leads to drug trafficking, firearm bust in C’ville
LOWELL — A search warrant executed by police in the Centralville neighborhood on Monday led to the seizure of nearly $66,000 cash, two defaced handguns, and a combined 20.5 pounds of fentanyl and cocaine. The investigation resulted in the arrest of a man with a lengthy criminal history, Dharol...
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It's us though, no criminal record, no issues, but we are dangerous, need to be red flagged, licensed into extinction, are we suitable, anyone can point a finger at us and yell Witch!!!
Ya, we are the problem..........
HARRYM
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And this one man crime wave is not isolated. The State is full of steel hardened criminals they refuse to deal with.
Taipan01
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Albeit derogatory and misleading, I much prefer Warlock to Witch as my pronoun.
HARRYM
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I would respond but your point escapes me, totally.
Taipan01
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Common usage though incorrect for males is Warlock, witches, babes.
JETA: Warlock is considered derogatory with Wickens.
HARRYM
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Salem Witch Trials
HARRYM
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Salem in 1692/93 were the extreme red flag laws. Anyone at that time could yell "Witch", and you were hung, period. Nobody yelled Warlock but who knows.
Taipan01
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Bewitched, 1970's Uncle Arthur, Warlock.
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