Palladin
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on the bright side, you're not going to get strung out for using your vehicle 'lockable' glove box for storage anymore.
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MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor
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This is basically killing web order ammo right?
(k) No licensee shall fill an order for any firearm or ammunition received by mail, facsimile, telephone, internet or other telecommunication unless such transaction includes the in-person presentation of the required license, permit or documentation as required herein prior to any sale, delivery or any form of transfer or possession. Transactions between federally licensed dealers shall be exempt from this subsection.
(k) No licensee shall fill an order for any firearm or ammunition received by mail, facsimile, telephone, internet or other telecommunication unless such transaction includes the in-person presentation of the required license, permit or documentation as required herein prior to any sale, delivery or any form of transfer or possession. Transactions between federally licensed dealers shall be exempt from this subsection.
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It says "licensee" which I am guessing they are referring tto S122 licensees. So MA dealers wont be able to sell ammo over the internet, which they were never doing to begin with? lol
Palladin
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Section 131M. (a) No person shall possess, own, offer for sale, sell or otherwise transfer in the commonwealth or import into the commonwealth an assault-style firearm, or a large capacity feeding device.
(b) Subsection (a) shall not apply to an assault-style firearm lawfully possessed within the commonwealth on August 1, 2024 by an owner in possession of a license to carry issued under section 131 or by a holder of a license to sell under section 122; provided, that the assault-style firearm shall be registered in accordance with section 121B and serialized in accordance with section 121C.
Still means the pre 1994 shit doesn't matter anymore, as I read it
Palladin
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MA dealers can't sell online according to this
inerlogic
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Section 123. (a) As used in this section “licensee” shall mean a person with a license to sell under section 122.
sounds like in-state businesses with a license to sell, can't sell by mail... pretty sure PSA isn't licensed under section 122 in MA
(yes, i know psa are a**h***s who won't even sell t-shirts to MA... )
So if I’m reading it the way you’re reading it, we can unpin our muzzles/stocks now?
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Two interesting points:
Negative: It mandates all firearms be registered, and adds a registration requirement for new arrivals. I did not see any specifics on those legally in MA not registered
Positive: It establishes a .08 CUI cutoff. Previously, courts were holding there was no lower limit as guns are more dangerous than cars (yes, they really said that)
Negative: It mandates all firearms be registered, and adds a registration requirement for new arrivals. I did not see any specifics on those legally in MA not registered
Positive: It establishes a .08 CUI cutoff. Previously, courts were holding there was no lower limit as guns are more dangerous than cars (yes, they really said that)
So my hot take on “assault weapons”:
There’s a new giant definition of these rifles using features, copycat, enumerated OR banned roster which means 99% of semi autos will now be illegal. If the rifle fits ANY of these definitions it can’t be possessed or bought/sold UNLESS it was already legally owned in the state as of 8/1 and going forward it is registered upon each transfer. (Devil is in the details as to legally owned as of 8/1).
The specific “copy or duplicate” section of the new AW definition does not apply to pre 2016 rifles. But that doesn’t mean anything really because your pre 2016 rifle could be on the new banned roster or just fail the new features test due to a “barrel shroud” aka handguard (plus pistol grip).
The Sig MCX ranch rifle with pinned brake is about to get very popular I think. Unless of course they put it on the banned roster lol.
There’s a new giant definition of these rifles using features, copycat, enumerated OR banned roster which means 99% of semi autos will now be illegal. If the rifle fits ANY of these definitions it can’t be possessed or bought/sold UNLESS it was already legally owned in the state as of 8/1 and going forward it is registered upon each transfer. (Devil is in the details as to legally owned as of 8/1).
The specific “copy or duplicate” section of the new AW definition does not apply to pre 2016 rifles. But that doesn’t mean anything really because your pre 2016 rifle could be on the new banned roster or just fail the new features test due to a “barrel shroud” aka handguard (plus pistol grip).
The Sig MCX ranch rifle with pinned brake is about to get very popular I think. Unless of course they put it on the banned roster lol.
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Ooooh. Nice one!
Any registration is a mandatory prerequisite for a subsequent confiscation.
Not great.
inerlogic
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So how are we supposed to know what the state has a record of? Should we all call on Friday around 2 PM and request copies of our records?
Next summer: "Criminals are still criminaling, we have to take away all these registered assault weapons of war from the non criminals to keep the illegal ukranian children safe"
or something like that, my AI broke there
It was all done in Australia already and in other places as well, don’t even have to make anything up, it is just a history repeating at this point.
I'm going say this means sales "into mass" from out of state FFL's to your door (ammo and reloading supplies) , you will still be able to purchase firearms online and ship to dealer where you must present your LTC in person, as dealer to dealer deliveries are exempt
mass dealers will still be able to sell online because residents of most states do not require a license to posses ammo
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I’ll add my dumb insight/questions into this based on my interpretations:
1. Hunters Ed no longer satisfies app LTC; FID only. The language on needing a live fire class for recert with this is confusing (I know, confusion is wanted).
2. Five rounds or less in a semiautomatic shotgun seems to jump out in this—what about “short shells” in this language? Or is there a “standard” magazine definition from the firearm manufacturer?
3. I interpret this as a new muzzleloader now needs to be registered as a firearm - unless I’m missing previous language linked somewhere.
4. Being 17 with an FID prohibits the use of a semiautomatic rifle while hunting unless someone over 21 is with them? Or full restriction?
1. Hunters Ed no longer satisfies app LTC; FID only. The language on needing a live fire class for recert with this is confusing (I know, confusion is wanted).
2. Five rounds or less in a semiautomatic shotgun seems to jump out in this—what about “short shells” in this language? Or is there a “standard” magazine definition from the firearm manufacturer?
3. I interpret this as a new muzzleloader now needs to be registered as a firearm - unless I’m missing previous language linked somewhere.
4. Being 17 with an FID prohibits the use of a semiautomatic rifle while hunting unless someone over 21 is with them? Or full restriction?
Right, it looks like pre-94 anywhere in the US goes away and it to has to have been in MA pre 8/1/24
The one thing making my brain hurt the most is from my reading, currently legally owned rifles inside MA on 8/1 are exempt from new AW definition “provided, that the assault-style firearm shall be registered in accordance with section 121B” …but section 121B is about the development of a NEW real time database that doesn’t exist yet, and that section goes on to say the events that require registration (like sales), and do not seem to include simple possession on 8/1…. So you gotta register your current rifle 8/1 but there’s no system to do it and the registration rules don’t apply to current possession? Huh???
Prepper your angus there will be no injunction
VTski4x4
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Or you know, do nothing, say nothing, and don't hand over shit.
We are receiving word that the bill language we have is a leaked working draft and may have discrepancies with the final version and summary re things like dates. The final version is still with House and Senate counsel.
We don't expect large changes but there may be adjustments as things gel.
We don't expect large changes but there may be adjustments as things gel.
xero2099
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Hope someone sneaked term limits for state reps and senators
VTski4x4
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Probably planned. We just gave away all the loopholes in this thread. Nuke it!
POS, but not as bad as Day’s. Glad that prohibited places aren’t the whole state which he essentially wanted. This still sucks.
Love all the defined deadlines the Gov must meet for every step of the LTC process but zero penalties or accountability if they drag their feet for 9 months
Can be less if someone actually gets cajoled into issuing an injunction or SCOTUS pulls a thing like they did with Caetano where they sort of seemingly jumped out of the
woodwork and went "change your shit or we're changing it for you. " etc. Thats too much of a wildcard thing to predict.
VTski4x4
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This. Compliance is for suckers.
Would have been a more rapid route to an injunction, though.
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