Jsfitzgerald85
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GOAL should tell them. Legalize Suppressors to fight noise pollution just to mess with them.
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MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor
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Coda
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This is the right call here for GOAL....and honestly MA in general....let it burn with the Democrats.
Don't play games, Don't RINO by picking the "thank you may I have another better of the two shit laws rammed in my ass please" BS........... the worse it is, the more people will hate them and realize this place sucks and Healey sucks.
EJFudd
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I just can't see the hold-up being a money thing. DimocRATS love to spend our money. It's fully half of their official party raison d'être. And let us not forget that much of the cost of implementation will be borne by the people along with the cities and towns through their police budgets. The state doesn't give a rat's ass about those dollars.
Trust me... they know full well there will be multiple lawsuits and they have exactly ZERO concern about that. Leftists wear such lawsuits as a badge of honor... a profile in courage for defending their anti-constitutional ideology and more money and staff for the state AG's office.
As my old Indian co-worker always used to say in such times... "Something's going on" ... and in this case, it's nothing good. Nothing good at all.
Garys
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They don't much care about law suits because nothing comes out of their own pockets. It comes out the taxpayers of Massachusetts pockets. I'm fortunate in being able to move out, so I don't have to fund any of that foolishness.
They want us to have been part of the making of the bill because….political cover.
They get to say it is gun owner approved.
That ship sailed a long time ago.
They are deaf.
They get to say it is gun owner approved.
That ship sailed a long time ago.
They are deaf.
Great update and I stand with Jim! This new day of politicians is dangerous. They say and do radical things.
But they do care about lawsuits. Mariano said publicly that he was quite concerned about that in the aftermath of Bruen.
I agree it's not the money they're worried about. The concern is that their law will be overturned and thrown out, and potentially drag along much of the rest of the Massachusetts regulatory scheme along with it.
We "already were." That cannot be what they're waiting for now. They already checked that block over a year ago.
I'm not buying that.
Meh.
I'm not going to ultimately care because I will not likely personally be impacted. Long termers already know how to dodge all that shit, and/or have opted out of their bullshit. The worst outcomes are going to be on the noobs which haven't gotten over the pant shitting phase yet or don't have a license. That's the truly disturbing impact of this legislation is the chilling effect problems, downstream. Makes it incredibly harder to get new people into gun ownership.
El_Guapo77
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I'm still expecting a 5pm news dump on the 31st
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This. Unless they fxck with renewals most long term people have their shit and wont be impacted unless caught with it
Buying new stuff and noobs will be screwed.
They dont care about money or lawsuits.
The end game is make it as difficult as possible for as long as possible.
Glad I wont be funding it or abiding by it.
Later than that. This will be rolled out well after midnight on the 31st.
I think you're confusing "nobody knows" with "nobody cares."
You lost me at register.
Your first mistake was posting this on here. Keep calm and carry on is my advice.
1903Collector
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Me with my credit cards!
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Thanks for this. Proud to be a GOAL member and glad we have Jim Wallace advocating for us!
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There is something out of the conference committee today. But what I got was unreadable. If anyone gets a copy please post it here. This is what will pass so this is the important one.
Varmint
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Yeah, I was thinking the same last night... Is this (i.e., the Trump assassination attempt) the event the MA Legislature has been hoping for to finally justify pushing the "Mother Of All Anti-Constitutional Gun Control Bills" down our throats?
It's probably not exactly what they wanted (not enough dead bodies)... but is it close enough?
Remember, July 31st is coming at us pretty quickly now.
If sandy Hook didn’t move the needle nothing will. That was horrific. Although it made me want more guns in good guys’ hands, not less.
Breaking: GOAL has received word that the H.4139 conference committee has concluded their negotiations and have presented their new language to the clerks and counsel for both chambers. We have not seen the language yet but are working on getting a copy. Once we have the full version of the new bill we will have analysis and breakdowns on our website goal.org.
Please keep checking back as more information will be made available as we receive it.
The legislative summary is here:
Please keep checking back as more information will be made available as we receive it.
The legislative summary is here:
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Here we go.
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I have a feeling this is not going to be good.
Full grandfathering for everything owned up to this garbage signed into law. Sale, transfer after that is ok… I believe what we already own went x2 up in value. I think.
Vote is tomorrow and I believe Sign into law will be shortly after.
You/ us all were warned and had plenty of time. In the next few hours I will acquire… nothing as I need nothing.
Vote is tomorrow and I believe Sign into law will be shortly after.
You/ us all were warned and had plenty of time. In the next few hours I will acquire… nothing as I need nothing.
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It won’t be law until Healy signs it, which is earliest end of the week. It’ll be voted on tomorrow though.
We’ll need to understand effective dates since laws aren’t effective immediately when signed unless there is an emergency preamble.
I believe Healy indicated that she will sign it immediately as soon as it is voted.
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Told ya'all (as did others) it wouldn't be until the very end of the session. This will be interesting, but perhaps not in a good way. Glad I got what I want and am not just starting out.
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H.XXXX: An Act Modernizing Firearm Laws
Caucus Summary
July 17, 2024
Licensing of Firearms
Consolidates and reorganizes current firearms licensing sections into a single unified process with consistent standards and procedures, including licenses to carry, Firearm ID Cards, and licenses to sell. Permits local licensing authorities to request prior license and permit information from the Department of Criminal Justice Information Services (DCJIS) as part of their application review. Ensures licensing authorities have access to mental health histories and any involuntary commitments of applicants.
Requires an individual to be 21 years old to own semiautomatic rifles or shotguns. 18–21-year-olds may still own and possess rifles and shotguns with a Firearm ID Card. Preserves the ability of all ages to use firearms under the direct supervision of a properly licensed adult for hunting, instruction, recreation and participation in shooting sports.
Restructures penalties for failure to report firearm loss or theft by: (i) removing $500 minimum mandatory fine for all offenses and providing for fine of “up to $1,000” in Court’s discretion; (ii) adding the potential for incarceration for up to six months for a second offense; and (iii) maintaining potential incarceration terms for all subsequent offenses.
License holders shall receive notice of the upcoming expiration of that license, card or permit 90 days prior to expiration.
Enables 12- to 15-year-olds to apply for a self-defense spray permit with parental permission. Enables 15- to 18-year-olds to independently apply for a self-defense spray permit.
Firearm Dealer Inspections
Allows local licensing authorities to opt-out and transfer their dealer inspection responsibilities to the Massachusetts State Police. Requires dealers to confiscate expired or suspended licenses presented to them and continues to require dealers to report them to DCJIS and the bearer’s local licensing authority.
Requires local licensing authorities to attend EOPSS trainings regarding inspection responsibilities.
Firearm Carry and Transport
Clarifies the law relating to carry and transport of firearms by: (i) defining the term “secured in a locked container” consistent with the 2013 Supreme Judicial Court holding in Com. v. Reyes, 464 Mass. 245 (2013), now specifically acknowledging that this includes a locked console, glovebox or trunk in an unoccupied motor vehicle; (ii) aligning ATV carry with motor vehicle carry requirements; and (iii) permitting properly licensed nonresidents to travel through the Commonwealth with securely stored, lawfully owned firearms.
Prohibited Areas
Prohibits the carrying of all firearms in government buildings, polling places and schools. Provides municipalities with the ability to opt-out their municipal buildings. Current and retired LEOSA-certified law enforcement professionals are exempt from this prohibition. Leaves unchanged the current right of private individuals and businesses to prohibit the carrying of firearms onto their private property.
Assault-Style Firearms & Large Capacity Feeding Devices
Updates the definition of assault-style firearm to: (i) include modern firearms and characteristics not contemplated by the existing ban; (ii) codify the Attorney General’s 2016 advisory opinion on lookalike weapons; and (iii) requires EOPSS and Firearm Control Advisory Board to periodically update and publish a complete roster of banned assault-style firearms. Permits the continued ownership, possession, transfer and sale of assault-style firearms legally owned and registered in the Commonwealth as of the effective date of the Act. Restricts the transfer of legacy large capacity feeding devices.
Firearm Control Advisory Board; Rosters
Reconfigures this board to include appointees from the Attorney General, Speaker, Senate President and Massachusetts State Police. Requires board to advise the Secretary of EOPSS on which firearms should be included in the assault-style firearms roster, approved firearms roster and roster for firearms sold for formal target shooting or Olympic shooting competitions. Requires Secretary to review and update rosters at least three times a year with advice of Advisory Board.
Firearm Modifications
Adds definitions for modifications and parts that convert a semi-automatic firearm into an automatic firearm and includes these within the machine gun definition to ensure that the possession and use of devices (including bump stocks, trigger cranks, Glock switches and auto sears), are subject to the same significant penalties.
Closes silencer loophole by expanding the definition of parts to cover parts in combination that can make a silencer.
Serialization & Ban of Untraceable “Ghost Guns”
Modifies the definition of “firearm” to specifically include frames and receivers (including unfinished frames and receivers that are at a stage of production where they can be readily manufactured into a finished product). Exempts antiques, curios and relics from the definition of firearm. Requires the serialization of all firearms. Provides a clear process to serialize homemade firearms. Creates specific penalties for the possession, creation and transfer of all untraceable firearms. Updates and expands definitions of undetectable and covert firearms to encompass modern trends and technology like 3-D printed guns. Bans the sale of 3-D printers specifically marketed as capable of making firearms. Exempts pre-1968 firearms from serialization requirement.
Registration, Reporting & Tracing
Updates existing firearm reporting system into one state database for firearm registration, reporting and tracing maintained by the Department of Criminal Justice Information Services. Requires registration of firearms not appearing on existing transfer portal. Requires law enforcement to immediately report crime gun data to the state database which will automatically populate the Federal ATF system for interstate tracing purposes. Includes surrendered firearms in law enforcement reporting requirements.
Firearm Data
Expands data compilation and reporting requirements to and from the Department of Criminal Justice Information Services. Creates a publicly accessible online dashboard of anonymized aggregate firearm data to further firearms research and transparency. Creates a commission to study the collection, access and distribution of firearm data.
Harassment Prevention Order (HPO) & Extreme Risk Protective Order (ERPO)
Updates HPO’s under c. 258E to be consistent with abuse prevention orders under 209A by allowing courts to order dispossession of licenses, permits and firearms contemporaneously with the issuance of an HPO.
Enables family members, law enforcement, school administrators and licensed healthcare providers to petition a court for an ERPO based on showing that individual is a present danger to self or others and has firearms. Provides for issuance of a warrant to assist law enforcement in the collection of a respondent’s firearms if they are not surrendered within 24 hours after finding from court that respondent is currently a threat to self or others. Allows courts to enter ERPOs on unlicensed individuals, which will prohibit those individuals from legally possessing firearms.
Training
Requires State Police to promulgate uniform training curriculum and standardized test for all new applicants for a license to carry or Firearm ID Card. Curriculum will include live firearm training, and disengagement training. Requires local licensing authorities to attend EOPSS trainings regarding their licensing and reporting responsibilities. Requires dealer applicants to complete online training program about their responsibilities, business premise security and hiring and training of employees.
Violence Prevention
Establishes a special legislative commission to examine the existing government funding structure for violence prevention services in the Commonwealth, including funding sources, initiatives and programs utilized, specific services funded and communities served. Commission is tasked with submitting a report with its findings and recommendations to the Legislature.
Establishes a Violence Prevention Federal Reinvestment Trust Fund to collect federal funds to be appropriated to violence prevention programs. Establishes a task force to review the availability of federal funding and make recommendations on how best to support community violence prevention programs.
Emerging Technology Commission
Establishes a special legislative commission to study the status, feasibility and utility of emerging firearm technology, including smart gun and microstamping technologies. Commission is tasked with submitting a report with its findings and recommendations to the Legislature.
Punishments for Firearm Discharge at or Near a Dwelling
Updates and strengthens crime of firearm discharge within 500 feet of a dwelling without the consent of the owner. Creates a specific crime for firearm discharge that strikes a dwelling or building in use.
Intoxicated Firearm Carry
Provides a standard for hunting and carrying a firearm while intoxicated that is consistent with the standard for operating under the influence (0.08% BAC). Aligns penalties for
these crimes with those for operating under the influence.
Caucus Summary
July 17, 2024
Licensing of Firearms
Consolidates and reorganizes current firearms licensing sections into a single unified process with consistent standards and procedures, including licenses to carry, Firearm ID Cards, and licenses to sell. Permits local licensing authorities to request prior license and permit information from the Department of Criminal Justice Information Services (DCJIS) as part of their application review. Ensures licensing authorities have access to mental health histories and any involuntary commitments of applicants.
Requires an individual to be 21 years old to own semiautomatic rifles or shotguns. 18–21-year-olds may still own and possess rifles and shotguns with a Firearm ID Card. Preserves the ability of all ages to use firearms under the direct supervision of a properly licensed adult for hunting, instruction, recreation and participation in shooting sports.
Restructures penalties for failure to report firearm loss or theft by: (i) removing $500 minimum mandatory fine for all offenses and providing for fine of “up to $1,000” in Court’s discretion; (ii) adding the potential for incarceration for up to six months for a second offense; and (iii) maintaining potential incarceration terms for all subsequent offenses.
License holders shall receive notice of the upcoming expiration of that license, card or permit 90 days prior to expiration.
Enables 12- to 15-year-olds to apply for a self-defense spray permit with parental permission. Enables 15- to 18-year-olds to independently apply for a self-defense spray permit.
Firearm Dealer Inspections
Allows local licensing authorities to opt-out and transfer their dealer inspection responsibilities to the Massachusetts State Police. Requires dealers to confiscate expired or suspended licenses presented to them and continues to require dealers to report them to DCJIS and the bearer’s local licensing authority.
Requires local licensing authorities to attend EOPSS trainings regarding inspection responsibilities.
Firearm Carry and Transport
Clarifies the law relating to carry and transport of firearms by: (i) defining the term “secured in a locked container” consistent with the 2013 Supreme Judicial Court holding in Com. v. Reyes, 464 Mass. 245 (2013), now specifically acknowledging that this includes a locked console, glovebox or trunk in an unoccupied motor vehicle; (ii) aligning ATV carry with motor vehicle carry requirements; and (iii) permitting properly licensed nonresidents to travel through the Commonwealth with securely stored, lawfully owned firearms.
Prohibited Areas
Prohibits the carrying of all firearms in government buildings, polling places and schools. Provides municipalities with the ability to opt-out their municipal buildings. Current and retired LEOSA-certified law enforcement professionals are exempt from this prohibition. Leaves unchanged the current right of private individuals and businesses to prohibit the carrying of firearms onto their private property.
Assault-Style Firearms & Large Capacity Feeding Devices
Updates the definition of assault-style firearm to: (i) include modern firearms and characteristics not contemplated by the existing ban; (ii) codify the Attorney General’s 2016 advisory opinion on lookalike weapons; and (iii) requires EOPSS and Firearm Control Advisory Board to periodically update and publish a complete roster of banned assault-style firearms. Permits the continued ownership, possession, transfer and sale of assault-style firearms legally owned and registered in the Commonwealth as of the effective date of the Act. Restricts the transfer of legacy large capacity feeding devices.
Firearm Control Advisory Board; Rosters
Reconfigures this board to include appointees from the Attorney General, Speaker, Senate President and Massachusetts State Police. Requires board to advise the Secretary of EOPSS on which firearms should be included in the assault-style firearms roster, approved firearms roster and roster for firearms sold for formal target shooting or Olympic shooting competitions. Requires Secretary to review and update rosters at least three times a year with advice of Advisory Board.
Firearm Modifications
Adds definitions for modifications and parts that convert a semi-automatic firearm into an automatic firearm and includes these within the machine gun definition to ensure that the possession and use of devices (including bump stocks, trigger cranks, Glock switches and auto sears), are subject to the same significant penalties.
Closes silencer loophole by expanding the definition of parts to cover parts in combination that can make a silencer.
Serialization & Ban of Untraceable “Ghost Guns”
Modifies the definition of “firearm” to specifically include frames and receivers (including unfinished frames and receivers that are at a stage of production where they can be readily manufactured into a finished product). Exempts antiques, curios and relics from the definition of firearm. Requires the serialization of all firearms. Provides a clear process to serialize homemade firearms. Creates specific penalties for the possession, creation and transfer of all untraceable firearms. Updates and expands definitions of undetectable and covert firearms to encompass modern trends and technology like 3-D printed guns. Bans the sale of 3-D printers specifically marketed as capable of making firearms. Exempts pre-1968 firearms from serialization requirement.
Registration, Reporting & Tracing
Updates existing firearm reporting system into one state database for firearm registration, reporting and tracing maintained by the Department of Criminal Justice Information Services. Requires registration of firearms not appearing on existing transfer portal. Requires law enforcement to immediately report crime gun data to the state database which will automatically populate the Federal ATF system for interstate tracing purposes. Includes surrendered firearms in law enforcement reporting requirements.
Firearm Data
Expands data compilation and reporting requirements to and from the Department of Criminal Justice Information Services. Creates a publicly accessible online dashboard of anonymized aggregate firearm data to further firearms research and transparency. Creates a commission to study the collection, access and distribution of firearm data.
Harassment Prevention Order (HPO) & Extreme Risk Protective Order (ERPO)
Updates HPO’s under c. 258E to be consistent with abuse prevention orders under 209A by allowing courts to order dispossession of licenses, permits and firearms contemporaneously with the issuance of an HPO.
Enables family members, law enforcement, school administrators and licensed healthcare providers to petition a court for an ERPO based on showing that individual is a present danger to self or others and has firearms. Provides for issuance of a warrant to assist law enforcement in the collection of a respondent’s firearms if they are not surrendered within 24 hours after finding from court that respondent is currently a threat to self or others. Allows courts to enter ERPOs on unlicensed individuals, which will prohibit those individuals from legally possessing firearms.
Training
Requires State Police to promulgate uniform training curriculum and standardized test for all new applicants for a license to carry or Firearm ID Card. Curriculum will include live firearm training, and disengagement training. Requires local licensing authorities to attend EOPSS trainings regarding their licensing and reporting responsibilities. Requires dealer applicants to complete online training program about their responsibilities, business premise security and hiring and training of employees.
Violence Prevention
Establishes a special legislative commission to examine the existing government funding structure for violence prevention services in the Commonwealth, including funding sources, initiatives and programs utilized, specific services funded and communities served. Commission is tasked with submitting a report with its findings and recommendations to the Legislature.
Establishes a Violence Prevention Federal Reinvestment Trust Fund to collect federal funds to be appropriated to violence prevention programs. Establishes a task force to review the availability of federal funding and make recommendations on how best to support community violence prevention programs.
Emerging Technology Commission
Establishes a special legislative commission to study the status, feasibility and utility of emerging firearm technology, including smart gun and microstamping technologies. Commission is tasked with submitting a report with its findings and recommendations to the Legislature.
Punishments for Firearm Discharge at or Near a Dwelling
Updates and strengthens crime of firearm discharge within 500 feet of a dwelling without the consent of the owner. Creates a specific crime for firearm discharge that strikes a dwelling or building in use.
Intoxicated Firearm Carry
Provides a standard for hunting and carrying a firearm while intoxicated that is consistent with the standard for operating under the influence (0.08% BAC). Aligns penalties for
these crimes with those for operating under the influence.
Reading between the lines I interpret this summary to mean basically a ban on 99% of commercially available semi auto rifles not otherwise owned in the state as of date effective, plus live fire training required that you’ll have to schedule 2 years in advance, and no more frame transfers so we’re stuck with garbage MA roster going forward. Uhg.
Palladin
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not one line about putting criminals away
inerlogic
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"Exempts antiques, curios and relics from the definition of firearm."
How do they define curios and relics? I'm guessing not the same way as the ATF wrt 03FFLs
How do they define curios and relics? I'm guessing not the same way as the ATF wrt 03FFLs
That may just be for serialization since it’s in that section. We need the actual text.
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